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General Discussion => Wanted / For Sale => Topic started by: Mike Lenz on November 21, 2009, 02:52:07 PM

Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: Mike Lenz on November 21, 2009, 02:52:07 PM
I am building a 77 MC-5 for my son and am in need of a filter cage, hopefully for less than the $50.00 they want on ebay??
Thanks!
Mike
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: 454MRW on November 21, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
How does $25 including shipping sound? I still have a couple laying around. I use the Uni-filters with the supplied cage. Price is for both. I just looked at them and one is slightly larger diameter than the other with white coating that is chipped in some areas. The smaller of the two is very light blue coated and is in almost perfect condition. Did 125/175 and 250/400 have different size filter cages? I could not find any illustrations or part #'s for the cage, only the filter, (which is the same for all engine sizes), in any of my 76 or 77 MC5 or GS-6 chassis books. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: rob w on November 21, 2009, 05:18:27 PM
Filters for Penton/KTM - MC5/GS6
are the same as Husqvarna '75 250/360 CR and all Husqvarna '76 -'78.
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: 454MRW on November 21, 2009, 05:26:24 PM
Rob, Not filters, the metal filter cage. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: rob w on November 21, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
Yah, I know. But would'nt Husqvarna use wire cages as well.
That little interjection was just a fyi....and also I felt like using my keyboard.

Next week Mike (W)....I can finally ship you some goods next week.
Thanks
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: 454MRW on November 21, 2009, 06:06:03 PM
Cool.
Both of these cages were in Penton Airboxes BTW, so I figured they were correct, but you never know. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: Mike Lenz on November 22, 2009, 09:09:46 PM
Sounds great Mike. Why dont you email me at [email protected] and give me your adr.
Thanks Alot!
Mike
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on November 29, 2009, 08:10:20 PM
Mike  I need the filter cage and all the little hardware that holds it in for my 1979 MC80.  Its oval?, Plus the intact boot from the airbox to the carb?  Are they the same?  

g

72 six-day
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: 454MRW on November 29, 2009, 09:25:07 PM
I have an extra cage, but I don't have an extra bracket that holds the cage in place or the retaining rod that holds it in place under tension.
There is an airbox, complete with a slightly different version but usuable cage, including the bracket and retaining rod right now on eBay # 200410778566 which might be the cheaper route to go than buying a piece here & there.
Parmabike sells new reproduction carb to airbox boots on ebay for around $55, item # 270427594858, which is listed for 77, but is the correct offset shape, and can be trimmed for the correct length, or # 350256674955 if the carb is very close to the airbox on some models. Check to see how much room there is between the carb and airbox first.
Al Buehner may have an airboot in stock cheaper, so check with him first to see if he has any. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: gooddirt on November 29, 2009, 09:27:48 PM
I think the cage for the 79-80 are close to the Six-day type if you can't find a OEM unit and then there is the rod. The filters I think are the same. Have a boot but has a rip that needs some goop. LG
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on November 29, 2009, 10:42:11 PM
I think Al B has the Air filter, but not the cage.  So I am interested in the cage.  Mine has a airboot on it, but it looks like it might have some cracks on it.  I'm sure I could make the rod and retaining bracket if I knew what it looked like.  All I have is a grainy picture to look at.  

G

72 six-day
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on November 29, 2009, 10:44:43 PM
You know that is a good idea,  I need to clean out my 6-Day Air filter anyways.  When i get back to Barstow,  I'll take a look at it.

G

72 six-day
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: 454MRW on November 29, 2009, 11:08:48 PM
The retaining bracket is shown in the eBay listing # 200410778566 that I mentioned, pictured laying on top of the filter cage. It goes in place up against the filter cage with the filter installed first and the rod pushes against the angled recessed area to hold it firmly in place against the filter assembly. A working replacement would not be hard to fabricate, as long as it distributed the tension evenly on the filter cage to hold it tightly in place after the filter assembly is installed in the airbox. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on November 29, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Right ON!!!  Thanks for the discription.  I'm gonna look right now.

G

72 six-day
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on November 29, 2009, 11:25:12 PM
Shooot the filter cage looks exactly like the original filter cage for my 72 6-day.  OK now I know what the rod and the retaining bracket does, I should be able to make those too.  Next step, clean my 6-Day Filter.
Thanks for the info

G


72 six-day
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: tofriedel on December 01, 2009, 01:53:56 PM
Garrett,

Just for information, the cage in the photo of the 1981 250 air box is not the correct cage for a 1981.  That said, it may be the same outside dimension as the correct 1981 cage.

The 1981 250 & 390 models used an open wire oval cage.

Tony
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on December 01, 2009, 06:23:02 PM

I just did a fit check with my 72 6-day cage and no-toil air filter (I got them from Al B) on my 1979 mc80 250 ktm.  I had to reshape the wire cage a little to give it a little more oval of a shape, but it seems to fit like it was made for it.  I will know more when I take the air box off and can get a really good look at it.  I felt around the whole assembly and it was snug and really fit in there good especially around the base.  No slipping or sliding around, snug. 1st impression, I was happy with it.  

I know I can make a little retaining bracket and Rod for it, but the air filter base seal has got to be perfect.  I will keep you posted.

72 six-day
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: 454MRW on December 01, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
The 78-81 wire cage also fits very snug at the base in the air boxes, I thik they are the same as the six-day cage. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: Larry Perkins on December 02, 2009, 07:42:15 AM
I have one of the plastic retaining brackets on hand and one of the rods somewhere around here.

Larry P
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on December 03, 2009, 11:01:24 PM
1 thing I was thinking about today at work,  Would the span at the open end of the Air filter cage be to big and suck the air filter into the motor?  Maybe I need to make a little screen for the top of the cage?  

Larry, could you please e-mail me directly at [email protected].  I have some questions I would like to ask you off line.  Thanks

G

72 six-day
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: 454MRW on December 03, 2009, 11:08:09 PM
Originally the open end of the cage was just covered by the air filter, and the open end of the filter foam was tucked under and around the carb end of the cage against the airbox. I am sure that the retaining bracket helps to hold the foam in place. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: Larry Perkins on December 05, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
Garrett,

I will when I get back.  I am in Vegas for the AMA banquet and Hall of Fame inductions.

Larry P
Title: MC-5 a/c frame
Post by: garrettccovington on December 05, 2009, 12:49:32 PM
I was wondering how many POGer's were going to LV.  I live so close, but The Motor cycle show is this weekend.  Have Fun
G

72 six-day