Hello all, new to forum. I just got the bike and I was taking it apart to put new piston and I noticed it has a GEM reed cage/intake on it. These are not stock are they?? Also I just got two hercules 125gs and I am wanting parts for these-any ideas? I figured someone here would know since sachs 7 speed engines...Thanks Bob
Hi Bob,
The GEM reeds were NOT stock on your bike. You might keep an eye on ebay for the Hercules parts.
Good Luck
Hello Bob, Welcome to the POG site. You will find it to be a great source of technical information, and entertainment. If you Google "Hercules motorcycle", several sites will come up. There is a link to a site which seems to be what you are looking for (parts available). Do the 125 Hercules have the Penton Sachs engine or the SACHS brand Hercules engine? What year are they? joe
Just remember, if you need to replace a piston on your GEM reed equipped engine, the piston must be modified for it. A stock piston will not work correctly.
Britt Boyette
1976 125 MC5
Hello Bob, Welcocme to POG. For Hercules parts, check the home page under parts suppliers, and look for Fischer Cycle located in Butler, PA. If he doesn't have it, he could give you an idea who might. Best Of Luck ! Nelson McCullough
Thank you Randy, that is what I have been doing-for the last week that I have had these hercules...Hello Joe, thanks for the welcome. These are the sachs 7 speed engines that came in the last batch of bikes that used sachs engines-after the penton, dkw, monarch, tyran, etc etc...Britt-THANK YOU, I did not know that there was a modification to do to the piston, but I will be checking it out. Now that might be the reason that the piston was a little melted down and the top ring was missing..Thank you3 putt, I will check into that lead..
Somewhere around here I have a Dirt Bike Magazine write up about installing the GEM reed setup on a 250 KTM. It's in the July 76 issue which also has a cool write up on the 76 MC5 125. If you want to avoid all the hassle, you can make me a cool deal on the kit and I'll swap out yours with a stock intake, then you can use a stock piston. Just a thought.
Britt Boyette
1976 125 MC5
Welcome Bob,I have 4 herc 7 speeds-a 125,a 175, and 2 250's.What parts for the 125's do you need?
Ric
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If the POG tech site still exists, I saved there a copy of the DB article on GEM testing and set up info. If needed, have copies too, just ask.
Jon McLean
Lake Grove, OR
LOl, thanks for the offer Britt, but I am an old yamaha man from way back-I know that reeds work and work good...sixdazed(cool name), You have them for parts or complete running bikes? If for parts I would like a 175 or 250 motor and pipe to put in my rolling chassis 125..Thanks Big Mac, I will do some research before making you dig up and copy the old articles, I know what a pain that is with life these days.
I was searching for the POG Tech Site a couple of months ago and it has disappeared. Too bad, there was some good information there fro everyone.
Tony
Bob,They are all complete.The 125 and one of the 250's are runners.Haven't thought of parting any out but i'll keep an eye out for an engine for you.
Ric
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six dazed you want to sell a complete non running 250?? or 175?
Bob,Lemme think about it-i'll let you know.What state are you in?I'm in Arizona.
Ric
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i am in texas
Bob,Lemme think about it-i'll let you know.What state are you in?I'm in Arizona.
Ric
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i am in texas
I have another question-mine has a headlight speedometer and taillight, also a chrome tip on the huge muffler-I would guess enduro model-are they the same otherwise between the non enduro and enduro model? Also I saw a pic posted here that shows the 75 to have black hubs-mine are silver colored, so is mine a 75 as I was told or possibly a 74 or 76?
Big Mac-do you have that tech article on the gem reed set up on the 250? I cannot find it anywhere on this site..TIA
Bob,
Most 75's should have black hubs and Akront shouldered wheels. They may have been changed to later model Sun wheels with the silver hubs. They interchange up to 1979, where they went to conical hubs on the front wheels, but still interchange until early 80's I believe. I don't think the rear changed besides color until the early 80's like 81-83. I think that 1977 may have been the last year for black hubs. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Bob,Texas would probably not be an issue as far as transport goes as glen adams (among others) comes thru here on ocassion and does deliveries at a decent rate and does a great job.The 175 engine is locked solid,(not sure why,that's how i got it)i do have a extra top end for it though.The last time i looked both 250s kicked thru 1 with low compression.Over the holidays i'll try and figure out if i want to part with any of them and let you know.
Quotequote:Originally posted by Bob Marsh
i am in texas
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3putt, I called the number for fischer cycles in PA and it is disconnected or no longer in service. I then searched the internet and found fischer cycles in OH, called them and they said they don't do penton or hercules anymore-have not done them in YEARS. Any more ideas for who to contact? Thanks
sixdazed, even shipping is not a problem, will cost less than a hundred to ship the motor and pipe..I would really like to make a 250-think about it. Thanks Bob
Ok, I am an idiot, mine does have black hubs-I was thinking of the hercules..I was going to put a pic of the rolling chassis herc, but cannot figure out how to do it..
Go to search, and type in the subject, " How do you post pics " and there is information on how to store and download pics to the site. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Call this number (Jake Fischer) for Hercules hard parts.
412-781-6309
His wife will probably answer since Jake's busy all the time. I bought a Herc 175GS/7A sprocket about a month ago.
Phil
Hopefully here a pic of herc, and also maybe somebody can tell me exactly what year it is..(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/mrpackrat2004/69x001.jpg) Well hotdamn it works!! Thanks Mr Winter
I say it's a 1978 model because of the shape of your gas tank. Speedy, aka Helmut Clasen will know for sure.
Phil
I believe you are right. I just found a sticker with it hand written date of manufacture of July 77..
Quotequote:Originally posted by Bob Marsh
I believe you are right. I just found a sticker with it hand written date of manufacture of July 77..
Bob, hi, email me at:
[email protected]i need to talk to you about these 125 Hercs
regards,
Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ.
Thanks Mike G for your wealth of knowledge on pentons and hercs..Really enjoyed talking with you and learning a bit
The Hercules were very well built, with high quality construction and components, and reliable motorcycles. The suspension on the Hercules in the photo (identified as a 1978 enduro model) was the same as that which I had updated on my 1974 Penton Bershire, that is Cerianni 35mm x 200mm forks, and FMS's with KONI shocks. The suspension worked wonderful, and especially shined in the roughest conditions. I wished I had a Hercules. joe
HI Bob,Please give me a call when you have time.(520)349-6124.Regarding my hercs.Thanks,
Ric
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