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General Discussion => Penton Talk => Topic started by: brian kirby on January 09, 2010, 03:04:01 PM

Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: brian kirby on January 09, 2010, 03:04:01 PM
I've done a search and there are many topics about adding gussets to the steering head area. Does anyone have any pictures or diagrams on where exactly this gusset needs to go?

Brian

'72 Berkshire
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: Randy Kirkbride on January 09, 2010, 03:09:59 PM
Brian,
I think Kent Knudson had an article in SKT about adding the gussetts. It was probably 5 years ago. Sorry I can't help more. Anyone else remember?
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: marsattacks on January 09, 2010, 06:59:39 PM
Hey Brian, we met at the ISDTRR. This is a little oblique to your question but the pentonmotorcycles.com site ued to have frame gussets for DKWs that looks the same--appears to be a kind of tang/gusset that wraps around the bottom of the head tube (that is mountain bike terminology but I guess one would call it the steerer tube/neck). Quote below from that site. There used to be a pic and apparent instructions too.

"New reproduction DKW frame gusset recall kits from 1973. Very rare. $18.00 a set."

Also I am sure that the bike w/ a 400 engine in a 72 Jackpiner frame has this gusset added. It was for sale recently here but I don't recall pix of this area.
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: joe novak on January 09, 2010, 08:21:23 PM
Hello,  I have been through the steering head situation.   On my 1970 Penton Berkshire, the bottom piece where the steering head race is seated broke right off.  I had recently purchased the bike in 1972, and we think the piece had broken because the previous owner had neglected the proper steering head bearing tolerance.  When the bearings are loose, the frame takes a real beating as the races and bearings beat themself together.   It is very important to keep the steering head bearings properly tightened.   The frame was gas welded, and I never had a problem again.  I had a steering head gusset, but never installed it.    On the other hand, I have seen early CMF Penton frames with the entire steering head broken off.  Perhaps a gusset would help this situation.  I think my 1976 Penton/KTM frame has a gusset which wraps around the bottom of the steering head neck.
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: brian kirby on January 09, 2010, 08:24:22 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by joe novak

I think my 1976 Penton/KTM frame has a gusset which wraps around the bottom of the steering head neck.

Right, this is the gusset I am talking about. Does anyone have pictures of a later bike with this? I want to make sure when I make my gusset I get the correct placement.

Brian

'72 Berkshire
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: john durrill on January 10, 2010, 04:55:25 AM
Brian,
 I have it some where. Will try and scan the whole article and send it to you. Yahoo mail? They let us send big files. Let me know if this will work for you.
john d.
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: john durrill on January 10, 2010, 05:22:44 AM
Found it,
 (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq113/sachs175/Framereinforcement.jpg)

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq113/sachs175/Framereinforcement001.jpg)

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq113/sachs175/Framereinforcement002.jpg)

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq113/sachs175/Framereinforcement004.jpg)

john d.
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: brian kirby on January 10, 2010, 09:50:45 AM
Thanks John!

Brian

'72 Berkshire
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: Randy Kirkbride on January 10, 2010, 10:05:37 AM
John,
That's the one I was thinking about. What #SKT was that in?
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: john durrill on January 10, 2010, 10:48:43 PM
Randy,
 Its the Fall of 2002 issue # 16.
john d.
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: Randy Kirkbride on January 11, 2010, 08:22:51 AM
Thanks John.  I guess it was a little further back than I thought.
Title: '72 JP frame gussets
Post by: David Laite on January 11, 2010, 09:06:42 PM
Great info, Thanks for posting it.

1973 Penton Jackpiner
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