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General Discussion => Penton Talk => Topic started by: Bob Marsh on March 12, 2010, 11:32:24 PM

Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Bob Marsh on March 12, 2010, 11:32:24 PM
Anyone know the specifics of these units. I just got a maico 440 with a pvl ignition that was not that old and the bike died on the guy and now no spark.. Can the motoplat guy fix these too?  Thanks
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Steve Minor on March 13, 2010, 05:34:24 AM
Contact Dane at Penton Racing Products....he's the pro. His contact info is in the supplier's section on the home page

Steve Minor
Wilmington, NC
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Merlin on March 13, 2010, 06:35:28 AM
Do yourself a favor and put the point ignition back on it.

Quote: Thomas Jefferson, We are all born ignorant, some work to remain that way.
 Quote:Peter Villacaro, "it is impossible to teach those that wish not to be taught".
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Bob Marsh on March 13, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
Merlin, Are the pvl's unreliable?? I was thinking they were great-just an isolated incident here...I hope not, I just ordered a complete new system(249.00 for it-so that was CHEAP), and thanks steve I will see if he can fix this system I have,...
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: TGTech on March 13, 2010, 10:29:10 AM
Bob,

If the PVL system went down, there are a couple things that could be checked. There is a ground path between the spark plug to the coil/CDI. The engine to the frame, should be bare metal. If there is powder coating or paint on the frame and the engine cases, there is not properly grounding. If there is rust on the frame between the engine mount and corrosion on the cases, then the ground is not properly.

Check to make sure that there is no rust or paint on the coil/CDI mounting, that is not a good ground.

Pull the plastic covers back on the stator connections, and make sure that the female spaces are tight. If they are loose, it can a problem to between the stator to the coil/CDI.

Over time, the spark plug cap can create some corrosion between the wire and the cap. Remove the cap from the wire, cut the wire about 1/4" and reinstall the cap.

There can be a resistor testing of the stator. The Ohms between the two stator wires, should be 225 to 230.

If you go through all of these items and the system doesn't work, I would suggest that you send the stator and the coil/CDI to our shop and I'll be put the system on the test bench to see if the parts are not working.

Dane
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Bob Marsh on March 13, 2010, 12:14:08 PM
Ok, just checked it out and excellent grounds everywhere(this bike was owned by an anal retentive professional-Jake De Boe-if anybody knows him), and everything was done perfectly. Anyway the stator checks out on resistance as does the coil, and I have a coil tester and the coil sparks good, so I believe it is the little cdi box...any ideas on price and supply?? Thanks
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Merlin on March 14, 2010, 03:56:04 AM
Hi Bob, I'll say all of my bikes (Maico)use  points, if I could convert the rest of the stable to points I would.

Quote: Thomas Jefferson, We are all born ignorant, some work to remain that way.
 Quote:Peter Villacaro, "it is impossible to teach those that wish not to be taught".
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: TGTech on March 14, 2010, 08:36:18 AM
Bob,

The price for testing is $34 and cost for shipping.

Dane
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Larry Perkins on March 14, 2010, 08:57:27 AM
PVL ignitions are totally reliable.  I have used many and sold plenty over the years and never had a problem-knock on wood.  I find they start easier, run better, and last longer term than the Motoplat most of these Pentons came with.  Personally, I believe points are ancient from the last century and often see people at the track with a points bike on its side doing some filing or adjusting of the gap.  Then there is the condensor that can go poof at a moments notice.  I don't think the PVL is really a problem and on this one there is either a lack of ground contact somewhere or this is a rare isolated incident.  That is my spin.

Larry P
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Britt Boyette on March 14, 2010, 12:40:33 PM
Could it be the kill switch?

Britt Boyette
1976 125 MC5
1975 250 HS
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Bob Marsh on March 14, 2010, 01:52:12 PM
First thing was to unplug kill switch to see if it was going to ground-still no spark, tried different spark plug cap and a different plug that was a known good plug-sparks in another bike, still no spark, tested stator and coil with ohm meter-right in range, tested coil with coil tester-sparks very nice..This is a system that has about 4 hours running time from new-still looks brand new on all parts. Excellent grounds to cases, and frame-was working perfect and just died during the middle of a moto..
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Britt Boyette on March 14, 2010, 03:19:05 PM
Do PVL's come with a warranty?

Britt Boyette
1976 125 MC5
1975 250 HS
Title: PVL ignition
Post by: Joe Murphy on March 15, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
I hope so. Gary Ellis is fixing one of my bikes that I thought I seized.. It was a magnet that came off of a PVL that only had about 10 hours on it.  I hope Dane will warranty it.
Joe Murphy