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General Discussion => Penton Talk => Topic started by: rob w on July 05, 2011, 11:37:25 PM

Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: rob w on July 05, 2011, 11:37:25 PM
Made this intake manifold for a D cylinder today.

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/BobWardlow/sachs%20engine%20stuff/zmani019.jpg)
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Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: joe novak on July 06, 2011, 01:29:25 PM
Rob,  Very nice item!  Did you open the intake ports?   Joe
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: sixdazed on July 06, 2011, 05:35:57 PM
Hi Bawb-Nice Jawb!Do you want to sell it or another one(or 2) like it to me???If so,let me know.Thanks,
                                         Ric
                                         (520)349-6124

ric emmal
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: brian kirby on July 06, 2011, 05:57:21 PM
What is the advantage of this over a new rubber manifold? Is this more like the original manifold, or is it just cool? I've got no problem with cool, I build stuff just because its cool all the time.

Brian
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: rob w on July 07, 2011, 09:39:03 AM
Brian,
 Here's how it came about. First - the only other option I ever knew about was a part from Sudco, which you had to spread the mounting holes out from 64/65mm, to the 68mm needed - and when you did that, the holes would almost break through the outside of the flange. Overall, you wished there was something better.
 If you know of a off-the-shelf alternative, I and other folks would like to know.

 I went to a Ahrma road race two weeks ago, to deliver a Sachs porcupine head to a guy. He asked me if I could design and make him some 'D' model intake manifolds. When I told him about the Sudco piece, he said that's what was on them now, they're no good anymore, and that he wanted something better. So that's how this started - I'm also confident the seal (air) between the cylinder and manifold is bomb proof.

Joe, Thanks,
the original size of the intake port on the cylinder is 30mm, so the ID of the manifold is 30mm.

Ric, I'd be happy to, so far I'm up to 7 needed. I expect the cost to be reasonable, like around $55. Not including clamps.
Nice rhyme with the Bawb/jawb thing. :D I'll get with you about which carb(s) you're using.

Thanks


Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: sixdazed on July 07, 2011, 12:18:18 PM
Neato Bob,I'll need 2 to start with.Just let me know when they are done and form of payment,etc.28 Bing carbs by the way.Thanks,
                                                            Ric

ric emmal
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: brian kirby on July 07, 2011, 04:33:22 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by rob w

Brian,
 Here's how it came about. First - the only other option I ever knew about was a part from Sudco, which you had to spread the mounting holes out from 64/65mm, to the 68mm needed - and when you did that, the holes would almost break through the outside of the flange. Overall, you wished there was something better.
 If you know of a off-the-shelf alternative, I and other folks would like to know.


Nope, dont know of anything that will work. I knew there was something people modified to make work, but I couldnt remember what it was. This looks like a lot better setup. This is the best kind of part you make instead of  buy, it not only looks cool it also works better.

Brian
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: Randy Kirkbride on July 09, 2011, 10:16:27 PM
Hey Bob     put me down for one.  i'm using a bing 28 also.   Thanks for your help.


Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: rob w on July 11, 2011, 08:56:55 AM
Affirmative - will trade for trifocals. [8D] Thanks Randy, hope to have them ready for M/O.
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: sixdazed on August 26, 2011, 07:10:21 PM
Hi Bawb,I know you're probably swamped but any idea on when these will become available.I'd be happy to do some R+D/off road and vmx testing on one;)Thanks,
                         Ric

ric emmal
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: rob w on August 27, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
Hi Ric,
I will have one to you in 7 to 10 days.
I was exploring the option of having the aluminum pieces CNC machined. But considering the qty, it did'nt become cost effective.
Here's where I'm at -
I have 4 of the aluminum parts ready.
I have 15 of the steel pieces made - those need to be zinc plated.
I need to get the rubber hose - those will be squarely cut on a lathe, to the proper length.
And even though your typical run-of-the-mill hose clamp will work. I'd like to locate some good looking, strong clamps. (that's for a 2" OD - any leads are appreciated)
Thanks Ric, talk to you soon.
Bob

Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: checkcrew on August 27, 2011, 08:48:50 PM
Robert,

those manifolds are coming along nice,

check with aftermarket turbo/inner-cooler suppliers {automotive} for your hose clamps, these applications should use something better than your standard hose clamp,

hope this helps,

regards,

Mike Gallagher, NJ.
[email protected]
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: sixdazed on August 29, 2011, 07:14:47 PM
Sounds good Rob,just let me know when ready.I saw some trick hose clamps for something on newer mx bikes i think,but i'll see if i can do some searhing and find.Possibly odicker type?as used on marine, but might not have been that.Then again could have been in a dream[|)]I'll let you know if i find/remember.Thanks,
                                                       Ric

ric emmal
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: rob w on September 16, 2011, 11:21:16 PM
I now have some ready to go.
Send me your mailing address Ric.
Zinc plating turned out great.
Rubber, found and cut.
Will post some updated pictures very soon.
Thanks,
Bob
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: sixdazed on September 17, 2011, 01:02:29 PM
Allright Bawb!
         Emailed you my address thru POG-if you don't receive it let me know and i'll call you.Thanks,
                                 Ric

ric emmal
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: rob w on September 22, 2011, 08:42:57 AM
Made some punches to stamp out the gasket.

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Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: Guenther68 on October 11, 2011, 04:28:45 AM
Hi Rob,

you made an excellent job on this manifold intake, but for you info the original ones (rubber with inlay) are still available out of actual production in Europe.

Best regards
Guenther Vogt

//www.herculesig.de
Title: Sachs 'D' cylinder intake manifold
Post by: sixdazed on October 12, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
Got my manifold from Rob last week-very sano work!Hope to(off) road test it out soon.Should be great.
                                     Ric