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Title: timing help
Post by: Dale Sonnenschein on October 24, 2012, 06:14:03 PM

I have a 75 250 penton and I'm having a tough time getting it running. It ran with the timing the way it was set when I got it but only by jumping it.The top end is new and it has a new mikuni. I set the timing and it's quite a ways from where it was set when I got it. It will still only jump start. I'm not sure what I am missing about this. Anyone have an idea of what I need to do?

Thanks

Dale

74 puch 175 SD
73 Husky 360 WR/RT
75 Penton 250
10 ktm 250xc
02 bmw r1150r

Title: timing help
Post by: wfopete on October 24, 2012, 06:46:58 PM

How did you go about setting the timing? Did you use a dial indicator or...?

Pete Petrick
175 Jackpiner
Slow but Good

Title: timing help
Post by: Dale Sonnenschein on October 24, 2012, 06:57:46 PM

Yes but I'm not sure I understand the manual. It shows 2.25mm V OT.
What is V OT? I read it as BTDC in the manual.
Maybe the motoplat is weak? I've seen better spark but I've seen worse too.

74 puch 175 SD
73 Husky 360 WR/RT
75 Penton 250
10 ktm 250xc
02 bmw r1150r

Title: timing help
Post by: brian kirby on October 24, 2012, 07:26:51 PM

Quotequote:Originally posted by Dale Sonnenschein

It ran with the timing the way it was set when I got it but only by jumping it.

CLASSIC symptom of a weak/failing Motoplat. Bad Motoplat, for sure.

Brian

Title: timing help
Post by: 454MRW on October 24, 2012, 09:08:32 PM

Also a symptom of a leaking ignition side crank seal is having to always push start the bike. If you are not sure of the seal condition, try squirting a little gas/oil mixture in the spark plug hole, put the plug back in, and then see if it tries to kick start. When the crank seal starts to leak, it causes a weak signal to the carb that won't pull enough fuel mixture into the engine to start easily. Also, the 74 250 HS timing spec, is 2.55 BTDC, which is a little more aggressive than the later 78-80 bikes. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R

Title: timing help
Post by: Ernie Phillips on October 25, 2012, 07:14:03 AM

Also a classic symptom of Mikuni (enrichening circuit instead of true choke or tickler system). Need to keep throttle completely closed for enrichening circuit to work.

Ernie P.
Chattanooga, TN

Title: timing help
Post by: Kip Kern on October 25, 2012, 07:59:01 AM

If Motoplat, 2.6mm BTDC. Use a Sachs timing tool or similar, you can't miss. Any questions, send the ignition and coil to PVL to be tested and re magnatized. Ask for BJ or Jerry

Title: timing help
Post by: Dale Sonnenschein on October 25, 2012, 12:01:21 PM

THanks Guys, Looks like i have a little work to do.

74 puch 175 SD
73 Husky 360 WR/RT
75 Penton 250
10 ktm 250xc
02 bmw r1150r

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