I'm curious as to why V416 has (had would be a more accurate term) gold anodized trees when after digging through the photo archives, I can't find one single S/T'r with that feature on the Ceriani's.
Has anyone's bikes had that feature originally and just maybe buffed off what was left? 'Just curious. Fred
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I have never seen any Penton with gold annodized triple clamps, but most of them I have have been painted and clear coated to protect the Magnesium from oxidation and the clear coating often slightly yellows from ultraviolet exposure. I have seen it on some of the painted frames as well. The KTM engine cases often are slightly yellowed from the same exposure. Is this possibly what you have/had? Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Mike, thanks for the response. The yellowing process of the clearcoat that you describe is evident on my engine cases and I know just what you mean. One could easily be tricked by it since it's the same color for all practical purposes.
My trees were gold when I got the bike in '70, in fact, I dug out my 'old bike pics' and there's V416 in my parents garage, with gold trees. I've been playing around here this AM: trying to get those two pics scanned properly so all could see. It's now well known here that my PC skills are.., well, wanting.
One pic is particularly good re: the trees. The other shows both V416 and my 80cc Sachs with leading link front end. I'll keep trying. Fred
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If you are still having pic posting issues, email me the pics and I will post them for you. I have a faster internet service now, Yea!
[email protected] Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Here is one of Freds pics that he was able to email to me for posting. Mike
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee220/454MRW/BSAbuild1.jpg)
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
'Sorry about the foreground clutter but there are those gold trees. V416 is bout 4 yrs. old in the pic. Also, there are those handlebars I'd mentioned in an earlier post. My pal thinks they're Sachs. I haven't seen them on any other pentons in the archives either. At any rate, more Penton mysteries ! Thanks again Mike!
Fred
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Back in '01, at the beginning of my second discovery / rebirth of the Penton motorcycle.
My first bike was a 74.5 Mint 400. Upon one of my first discussions with Alan Buehner, I asked him where I could get some gold KTM engine paint. He told me that they were silver, but I said mine was gold..[B)]:D...and I've been learning something about them everyday since.
The plot thickens rob w. But it just occurred to me. If you had gold cases then that was a Sachs thing, and if I had gold trees then that was a Ceriani thing. Not much to do with Penton's shop except for the fact that they used those units in their production.
We could both easily buff our stuff back to silver and no one would have any reason to bat an eye. In your case though you might well have had the yellowed clear coat discussed earlier (?). My cases have that yellowing now after 40 years, but the pic shows the trees gold when new
and my cases silver just as I remember. We both have an 'easy out' but I just thought it might be of some value to the S/T'r project somewhere down the line.
By the way...., good selection on the emoticons! Fred
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"IMO" they are not gold triples but the combination of the flash and the reflection of the orange paint from the chopper give the triples that gold look, even the headlight ears in the photo have that gold look,
i truely believe it to be a misconception - again "IMO"
regards,
Mike Gallagher, NJ.
[email protected]
Checkcrew Mike, Nope, they were gold anodized or gold painted, no doubt about it. I think they were anodized. They looked just like you see'm in full sun. I've got an email out to my cousin's daughter to see if those headlight ears are still around the house somewhere. She's in the area and I'll go and look for myself if I have to. They may still be on a shelf somewhere. I know I'm undermining my own case but until you'd pointed them out in the pic, I'd forgotten they were on there originally. I never did have the headlight and front # plate.
Stay tuned.., if they're there they haven't seen sunlight since the late 70's! 'Glad you pointed them out! Cheers, Fred
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For what it is worth.....
I checked out some Steel Tankers this morning and found one with the top triple clamp being gold, but the lower was not. In looking closer it was apparent that the top of the fork head just under the bearing race was also gold and then it faded out to the "usual" color further down. The goldish color was pretty much contained in the top inch or so of the fork head. My assumption would be that exposure to the sun or some other environmental influence has caused this discoloration, but more opinions and research are surely needed to come to a factual conclusion.
I have seen this discoloration before and have always assumed that it was a natural patina that came with age that gave the machine that rather distinguished look, like the grey hair that I have invading what was once brown :)
Paul
I've never seen any gold triple clamps, but check out these photos that I found posted on the internet.
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(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9893/v0132e.jpg)
V0270
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1496/copyofv2706.jpg)
(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/8964/copyofv2701.jpg)
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Gary
Wow, nice work Gary! That six day's definitely's been messed with. That top tree looks like someone gave it the rattle can gold treatment but the bottom which looks like the original color is faded out.
Red tank bike's trees are the same color mine were. It's a straw gold. As I'd mentioned before I've got a call out to see if my headlight ears still might be lurking around somewhere at my cousin's house and if so they haven't been in sunlight for almost 40 yrs. Also, notice the similarity in color between V416 when only 4 yrs. old, and the red bike (allowing for my faded photo of course). V416 could not have accumulated that much even patina at that point and plus I know they were gold when I got the bike two years prior.
'Big mystery! Fun though! Cheers..., Fred
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