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First thing I did was sand blast the layers of old paint off of the frame and swing arm. Then I had to re-weld the rear frame loop back on the frame.
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Finished tig welding, and sanding down the rear frame loop. I put a custom fit steel dowel linking the inside the tubing, before welding.
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I had a good size chunk out of the side of the chain guide bracket. Caused by chain wear after the bracket was twisted out of shape.
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Chain guide bracket repaired. No visible weld, or witness marks.
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Had to knock out the old swing arm bushings.
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By making a tool that fit inside the slot, and with heat, and a big hammer. Will be replaced with some old NOS bushings I've been saving exactly for this occasion.
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These parts were prepped (sanded, wire wheeled, polished) for silver zinc plating.
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Here are the other parts I have to work with. Really happy the rims will clean up nice, without re-chorming. Have the original/ proper shocks and handlebars, and a brand new set of levers.
Rob, AMAZING!!!!!!
Bob, How are you going to paint the frame and swingarm? I notice the air box is missing. joe
Thank you Jeff, I'll try to keep this thread going until it's all finished. These pictures / operations cover three days of last week.
I have mixed emotions about this project. First I've been saving these pieces for years, to build my one and only steel tanker. On the other hand, I'm very happy with the income it will produce. I never seem to be able to hold on to my steel tank Penton's, because of the high value, and greater demand.
Hi Joe, Yes I am going to paint the frame. 50/50 still on either hiring a professional, or doing it myself. The big difference between the two, would be the durability of the pros job. But since it's future will be more show than go, my paint job will hold up, and look satisfactory.
Rob, beautiful work. I am envious of the tools you have for your projects.
Where are you getting your control cables for this project? Are you making your own or having them made?
Tony
Hi Tony, Thank you. My father owned tool & die shops, so I was born this way.
Surveyed my cable situation over the weekend. I have 4 greyish white, small diameter, front brake cables - and 1 matching clutch cable. My plan is to make a throttle and choke cable, using the housings from the extra front brake cables.
So Rob,are you keeping this one?????
Hi Ric,
No I sold it before I even started building it. I know they don't come along every day, but I'm happier with the pile of cash I exchanged it for.
Updates -
Found out both shafts on the 13 1/2" Ceriani shocks are bent. Luckily I have another set (13" early CMF Ceriani's) that I can swap shafts with. Never took shocks apart before, but aside from having to make a spanner wrench, I suppose it can't be all that complicated.
Need 1) foot peg spring.
Need a front engine mount bracket.
Rob, I've got a bracket and can bring it tomorrow to the meeting.
That would be great Dan, I just happen to be coming to tomorrow's P.O.G. meeting also. Appreciate it much.
I use to have a surplus of them, guess I never kept one for myself.
Someone is going to get a beautiful steel tanker.If you don't mind my asking-Who is doing your tank,or do you have a new one?Later,Ric
Thanks Ric. I'm building a 1971 Berkshire MX with my reproduction of this steel tank down pipe. (I have a dented/smashed original to copy)
Yes, gas tank will be NOS.
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Triple clamps, polished, final finish
Air filter housing - wire wheel & Mothers, will stay natural
Air filter cover - sanded on lathe, may zinc or chrome plate
Front fender bracket - may zinc or chrome plate
Thank you Bill Hanks for the air filter pieces
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This machine's family in waiting. She'll be in good company, and fairly close by.
Rob,I have one of those pipes in good shape if you need any cone measurements or anything.At least I think I do-haven't seen it in a while.And Carbaugh was just here...kidding:D
Good deal Ric....I have a NOS down pipe for both the steeltankers and the CMF. Thanks Ric for the grat time at you Home/Shop.
Ron Carbaugh
I figured you did-just poking fun;)-you know anything you need from me is yours anyway.
Same back at you Ric.....between you, Skip and I we have a lot of nice Pentons and parts. Make it a Great CHRISTmas.
Ron Carbaugh
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Thanks for the offer Ric, here's the pipe I'll start with. I will cut it into 6 pieces (header, 4 cones, stinger) bang out the dents. Make a new cone or 2 by hand, if the old ones are too messed up. And weld them back together.
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I made this container that I put mineral spirits in to wash fork legs, fork tubes, and fork springs, 2 1/2" dia. x 19"
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Drain plug screws on the forks are always rusty. Al B sells Sachs case screws very reasonable. So I used those, and cut them to the right length.
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I needed a air filter mounting bracket. So I made this one from aluminum (stock they're steel) using a template that Bill Hanks sent to me.
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I bought a new swing arm bolt from Fastenal m10 x 240mm. It was a bit too lose of a fit with the swing arm bushing for my liking, so a made 2 shims .007" thick. And now the clearance/fit is correct.
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I'm happy with the frame color I chose. I've come to the conclusion that the goldish / slightly greenish color tint to the silver - was actually a clear coat KTM used that turned that darker color over years. I used lacquer thinner to cut through it, and believe I got some good samples of the original color.
This picture is a little blurry, but you can get a pretty good comparison between these 3 parts.
The tube on the left is an original '71 Penton center stand.
The tube in the middle is my new paint.
The tube on the right is an original '72 Penton engine brace.
I went to a custom automotive paint store and from a chip, picked (with the expert's advise) a PPG paint.
Color - PPG #4843 - PSD - Chyrsler color.
He also said the it most resembles the amount of metallic in the original paint the best.
For 3 aerosol custom mixed cans, and 1 clear coat - the total was $55.
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I'm going to see if I can't just polish each individual nipple with these small 3/4" dia wire wheels. It seemed to work good when I tried it out on a few. Then clear coat each nipple with a small brush.
The wheels look so nice otherwise, and they're so true, I hate to unlace them, and relace them. We'll see...
I think the Huskys had the same issue with clear coat on them.
Regarding the paint: Bob, do those spray-bomb cans come with a hardener combined in the paint? I've been doing Huskys and Pentons with the best quality "aluminum" spray-bomb color and coating with clear. The clear dulls the aluminum to pretty-close original, but is not very durable. The upside is it's easy to fix scratches.
Mick
Mick, No I can't say that I know anything about the hardness of this paint. I know it's probably not the ultimate way to go, given the cost and application method.
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Off with the Sachs raised letters. Putting Penton tags on the side cases.
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Frame is now painted - and I love the new color I found.
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Took the best condition parts from 2 pair, to make one good pair of Ceriani's.
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This tool was used as my spanner/pin wrench on the shocks. It's a common tool found at bicycle shops, made by Park Tool.
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Made the mounting bolt for the foot pegs 12mm x 332mm. Used an old 12mm axle, with a new 12mm bolt welded together to achieve the 332mm length.
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Rear shocks repainted and put back together. NOS chrome covers.
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New fork seals. NOS fork caps. Made 1" aluminum stand-offs for mounting front number plate. Not sure what color number plates I'll go with, probably white over yellow.
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Took 23 pieces to get zinc plated, waiting for those. Then the engine goes in. Have to go pick out my seat cover material, and start reconstruction of the exhaust pipe.
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Now I'm debating on whether to build a replica of the original down pipe (that was the initial plan), or use this one.
You all have never seen this one before. It's a NOS Torque Engineering "Whisperin Smith" with spark arrestor.
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Do you think this looks alright ?
"I" think when one looks at the bike the pipe looks to be the main focus, a bit busy and to much pipe for a OEM look ....... just me .[8D]
LG, That's exactly what I want to hear...your honest opinion, and input. I believe you're way more right, than wrong. Thanks
If I was to try and make it look better. I think the furthest back of the three heat shields / zinc plated flat stock over the silencer - could be removed and gone, but replace the screws in black.
Is using after-market parts bogus ? It may be the only pipe in the world like this. Or is the rarity of the part over-ruled by the cheeziness of that decal ?
Maybe 1less heat shield would make it look less busy.
Raymond
Down East Pentons
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Do you think this looks alright ?
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That exhaust is extremely cool!!
I'm jealous!:D:D
Koen
I really like the looks of the rare aftermarket pipe, but it would look better with the rear shield and probably the sticker removed, in my opinion. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
I vote downpipe if it's going to be an mx bike.Just my 2 cents...
I like the pipe - reminds me of a Basani!
All restored bikes don't have to look like they came straight off a showroom floor.
100% of these bikes were personalized by the original owners to one extent or another depending on usage.
It's perfectly kosher to me to build a bike with period correct aftermarket parts to be a bike that you would have raced back then.
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do almost anything, with nothing."
1972 Penton Berkshire 100
1983 Husqvarna 250 XC
2011 Jayco 31.5 RLDS
2009 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax
Beautiful build by the way - I'm jealous!
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do almost anything, with nothing."
1972 Penton Berkshire 100
1983 Husqvarna 250 XC
2011 Jayco 31.5 RLDS
2009 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax
Rob,
I too think the pipe has too much bling. I have a NOS Penton Downpipe and a NOS Torque Up Pipe.
Ron Carbaugh
Bawb, that pipe is awful [xx(] As a friend, the least I can do is send you a pre-paid UPS shipping label to send it to me so you can be rid of it [^]
Luv'n the build thread, I would lose the rear guard and keep the sticker. Personally I think steel tankers look much better with up pipes over down pipes.
Dennis Jones
Quotequote:Originally posted by SouthRider
I like the pipe - reminds me of a Basani!
All restored bikes don't have to look like they came straight off a showroom floor.
100% of these bikes were personalized by the original owners to one extent or another depending on usage.
It's perfectly kosher to me to build a bike with period correct aftermarket parts to be a bike that you would have raced back then.
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do almost anything, with nothing."
1972 Penton Berkshire 100
1983 Husqvarna 250 XC
2011 Jayco 31.5 RLDS
2009 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax
I agree. I build a lot of my machines to "as raced" condition. Unfortunately a lot of history and innovation is destroyed by overzealous restorers that think every machine has to be restored to showroom condition.As was stated nearly everyone personalized their machines and made changes that they thought would improve performance. On some occasions these improvements found their way onto production machines.
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Got my zinc plated pieces back, including front fender bracket, air filter cover, foot pegs and mounts, brake linkage, spacer, springs, chain adjusters,
fork wiper clamps, axles, and front motor mount.
Got the fenders mounted and polished.
The Whisperin Smith decal is still in perfect shape on the pipe, I just put a flat black cover over the decal to compare the difference in looks.
I also removed the 3rd heat shield on the pipe.
But tomorrow I'll build the new down pipe.
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That's the old seat cover, still have not been to the seamstress to make the new cover.
Taking the number plates to powder coat tomorrow, doing a off white.
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I also want to thank everyone for getting involved with your comments and opinions, it makes it all more fun.
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I made a change to the initial plan today. I was going to have an open stinger / no silencer. But rethought things, and opted to quiet it down some.
So it's not an exact copy of an original Hi-Point accessories pipe. But it is a pipe - and it is reminiscent of a pipe from that era.
I still have to weld on the center mounting bracket
It will be painted black.
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What do you think ?
Brob,
It all looks beautiful, but I do not like the larger diameter stinger. Just my thoughts.[B)]
Ron Carbaugh
Thank you Ron,
But just think how dang loud it would be without a silencer of some kind.
Bob, The pipe looks great! I have an original down pipe which needs some TLC before it is installed. Did you fabricate all the cones on the new downpipe? joe
Brob,
I know what it is like to build bikes for people that want something a certain way, BUT you ask and I told you! Still like the small stinger. GREAT build and I only Hope that people appreciate you showing the pictures.....Beautiful Bike.
Ron Carbaugh
Wow, that is beautiful.
74 250 Hare scramble
73 CMF 6day
68 6day V213
Thanks Sean
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Added the center mounting bracket to the pipe, and got it painted.
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Joe, I've bought and cut up affordable unknown NOS pipes for cones, and header parts. Some of them, like the center cones with not much taper I make myself, by hand forming around a mandrel.
Looks kind of like a Modessett nos pipe I have.It's actually for a Suzuki ts185? I think-got it from (Tom Benolkin) and it looks like it will work on cmf with some slight adjustments...Project is lookin' good Rob!
Thanks Ric, It's made from the cones and parts of 3 pipes. The header and the back half of the last cone is from an original Hi-Point Accessories down pipe, and the rest is made from two Torque Engineering pipes.
Since the last pictures, I shortened the silencer by 1 3/8" or 35mm. So it's now even with the back edge of the swing arm, and has improved it's looks. I like how it turned out, it exceeded my expectations. Sometimes I surprise myself.
Bob realy enjoying this topic .....well done BT
Brian Taylor
Thanks BT
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Not sure I'll be using this rear tire. Out of the 88 rear MX tires Motorcycle Superstore has. This is the smallest rear tire offered.
A 100/90-18 Cheng Shin Surge I-C7210. It's got a pretty cool pattern, and the 90cm height looks good. But it is a little wider than what a 100cc bike should be turning.
The physical width of this tire is 4 3/8" (you could'nt run a chain guard) - compared to the old 3.50 Metzeler, which measure 3 3/4" wide.
Front tire is an old days 3.00-21 Metzeler. Which is 1/2" smaller dia. than todays Metzeler Unicross 90/90-21
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All four control cables are silver
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Number plates are powder coated off-white
She's a beauty, Bill
I've been enjoying the heck out of this thread also. My second bike back in the early 70's was a second hand Berkshire with the iron barrel and wish I had that one back. I have my late younger brother's '71 Berkshire, and have it mostly reassembled and running.Need to mount a head light and number plates. It's still in original condition, and have to decide if I'll ever restore it, but will probably keep it in it's original state as he last rode and raced it. If I ever do restore it, these pictures will be a great guide on how to go about it.
I know you built the pipe up from parts, but what did the stinger come from? Does it have a silencer/spark arrestor in it? My brother's bike has a Torque Engineering enduro pipe, but the silencer isn't as big as the Whisperin'Smith pipe you have, and more like what you have on the down pipe. Really nice work all around.
Thanks a lot,
Dan McEntee
Thanks Bill, Your old air filter gives it beauty.
Thank you Dan,
The silencer is from a Torque Engineering pipe, no spark arrestor.
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I punch out my own rubber washers with a "shim punch and die set", using old OEM Penton rubber mud flaps, and splash guards.
It's a two ply rubber, sandwiched between cloth. Smooth on one side, rougher on the other. I like the authentic old style look and feel to the washers.
I use two sizes - mostly a 13/16" / 20mm OD, and a few 1" / 25mm OD.
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Hey Joe, You said you were interested in my old seat cover, but it had to be sacrificed.
The new seat cover is ready for pick up in the morning, and I have a seat stencil for the "KTM" logo to be painted on, coming from Randy.
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Stand is fabricated, and works fantastic with little chance of scratching the frame paint. It straddles the underneath of the footpegs.
I have a NOS Cheng Shin C755 3.50-18 rear tire coming in apx 4 days.
Also today I got heat shink tubing at Menards to recover the ignition wires.
Rob, I just read through this restore. Beautiful build. You certainly are talented.
74 puch 175 SD
73 Husky 360 WR/RT
76 Husky WR360
10 ktm 250xc
02 bmw r1150r
Looking great Bob...thanks for sharing!
Kent
TEAM PENTOVARNA
Kent Knudson
Kevin Brown
Gary & Toni Roach
James & Adam Giddings
Dennis & Cory Buttrick
Derick Kemper
Nicole Hays
Josh Gaitten
I too have really enjoyed following the progress in this thread. The work is absolutely beautiful. I really enjoy seeing something taken from not so pretty to this high level of detail. I certainly have found out how many hours of labor go into this kind of project after having done three complete Jackpiners now. Carry on with this fine example!
Keith Meatyard
Dale, Kent, and Keith
Thank you for the nice words, I appreciate that very much.
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Finally finish recovering the seat. I bought the material myself and had a upholstery guy sew up the cover.
Still need to paint KTM on the back.
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Yes, I plan to flip the front wheel around, and put the brake on the correct (right) side. Thanks LG.
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Looks great, Bob. Glad it turned out ok.
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It looked too much like something was missing without a chain guard, so I changed the plan, and added one.
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The 3.50 Cheng Shin C755 rear tire really made it. It just would'nt have looked right with a wider tire.
Bob,
I've been following your build, and like it very much. [8D] Sorry I didn't say anything. Hope that doesn't change our friendship. ;)
Hope to see you again in the future.
Ready for some fried shrimp? [:p]
Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day
82 Honda cr250r
04 BMW K 1200 GT - KIA in N. Ga. - 32987 smiles
08 BMW K 1200 S
Bob,
I've been following your build, and like it very much. [8D] Sorry I didn't say anything. Hope that doesn't change our friendship. ;)
Hope to see you again in the future.
Ready for some fried shrimp? [:p]
Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day
82 Honda cr250r
04 BMW K 1200 GT - KIA in N. Ga. - 32987 smiles
08 BMW K 1200 S
Rob - all that proves is that POG members aren't facebook junkies, or likely to be....
The people here appreciate the bike in far more ways than the casual observer on FB who will even "like" McDonalds, Nike, the latest supermodel, or Aunt Mae's dog wash.....
We really DO appreciate what is necessary to build this bike, restore this history, and continue the heritage.
Great job - though personally I still prefer the up pipe with the last mod. It's currently a more period correct motocross bike and Enduro runs through my blood.
Again - sweet build.
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do almost anything, with nothing."
1972 Penton Berkshire 100
1983 Husqvarna 250 XC
2011 Jayco 31.5 RLDS
2009 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax
I tend to agree with SouthRider. Several people have commented here on how nice a job you have done and it takes a lot of talent and patience to take any undertaking to this level of restoration, but I will not go on Facebook now or ever, even though my previous band and current one has a facebook page, and several of my younger relatives with nothing better to do all day than to sit around with their nose in their computer wasting time do, which in my opinion is what it is best served for.
I spend enough time as it is reading and responding to Motorcycle forums and answering questions about Vintage Acoustic music gear, perusing eBay and Marks Vintage Swap Meet for deals I can't pass up or helping others out with items they need that I have. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Quotequote:Originally posted by SouthRider
Rob - all that proves is that POG members aren't facebook junkies, or likely to be....
What it proves to me is that a single picture on Facebook can reach the masses, and spread the word of the Penton Sportcycle, many times greater than here. I would never ever slam the Penton Owners Group for anything. A lot of my best friends, and best times I've had in my life, are due to this great group. I am merely reporting on the reviews and attention the bike got from the world outside of POG. And you're greatly mistaken if you think there are'nt POG members sharing their motorcycle interests on Facebook.
Let's take for instance the new John Penton movie coming out. There are 40,000,000 people on Facebook, and 42 people checking in on the POG site daily. Which group do you think Todd Huffman would rather reach ?
The people here appreciate the bike in far more ways than the casual observer on FB who will even "like" McDonalds, Nike, the latest supermodel, or Aunt Mae's dog wash.....
This is honestly debatable also..........
We really DO appreciate what is necessary to build this bike, restore this history, and continue the heritage.
Thank you
Great job - though personally I still prefer the up pipe with the last mod. It's currently a more period correct motocross bike and Enduro runs through my blood.
Hmmm...2 out of 3 of these bikes with Doug on the home page have down swept exhausts. http://pentonusa.org/images/homepage/2013/homepage_120513_large.jpg
And my particular interests have always been motocross, and flat track, never enduros. (but that's just me, and the way I grew up)
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your opinion, and care to here your feedback on my project. Thanks for being honest, that's totally important when giving feedback.
The first thing I wanted to accomplish when building this bike is - I wanted to give it that custom look, and not to be another identical clone. If I had to do it all over again, I would not change a thing, especially the pipe. Emotionally, a lot of passion and love went into making it, and a lot of enjoyment and satisfaction came out of it.
Again - sweet build.
Thank you
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do almost anything, with nothing."
1972 Penton Berkshire 100
1983 Husqvarna 250 XC
2011 Jayco 31.5 RLDS
2009 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax
I wish that this bike was in my garage,...it is a real beauty!
Koen
This is a perfect example of a motorcycle that is being restored by someone who has no idea what they are doing. The bike should be immediately sent to me for disposal before any other innocent bystanders become horrified by such a Obama-ination :D
Terrible job;)
I will make sure it never ever see's the public's eye again (without me on it anyways).
I am so jealous of these old beauties. You have a great machine that I would be very proud to own.
1976 Penton MC5 400 Frame # 1871
What's this Face Book thing?
You did a wonderful job on restoring that 100. Your workmanship on restoring all your bikes has always been spot on. The tools, the knowledge, the skills are what makes the difference. But the most important is that you are an artist.
Now, which button on the phone do I push to approve this project?
I've tried just about every button on my phone and all that they do is beep. :D
Alan Buehner
Al stay away from the face book, waste of time!
Rob POG forum 1,967 members of which I bet 1,967 would love to have, ride, and stare at that bike!
Facebook, roughly a billion members.
You're batting 100% in my book with POG!
74 250 Hare scramble
73 CMF 6day
68 6day V213
It's a great looking bike and the quality of both bike and workmanship are evident.
Great job; and I like the low pipe.
Dan.
Arguably IMO (in my opinion) the website serves us well for the size of the group we are today. Considering myself still relatively a newcomer of six years little has changed with the content though. Personally, I would like to see more of an animated web page reflecting current information. A build/restoration such as Bob's would be a perfect subject to highlight along with competition photos and events we have or are participating in. The quickest example I could find is the KTM site. A visit to the home page gives you quick look into what is happening and draws you into the other areas of interest. Just my two cents worth... And Bawb the bike was a great build as all of yours are. Thank you for sharing [:p]
http://www.ktm.com/us/ready-to-race.html
Dale Fisher
Penton Owners Group - Memberships
Facebook - Cheney Twinshock Racing Group - Administrator
'70 Six-Day 125 - V2017
'71 Six-Day 125 (Dave Fisher's) - V5553
'72 Mudlark - W257
'73 Jackpiner - 175 21159727
'74 Berkshire 100 - 40171056
And some silly other bikes...
Rob, That,s one darn pretty Berkie. Bill
Obama-ination
What does the above have to do with anything on this site?
BTW , that is an awesome restoration Rob. I wish I had the talent that you and several others here have.Beautiful work. Chris
1974.5 Mint 400
Frame 54 410 78640
engine 4 5500708
You have a beautiful bike and you did an outstanding job!
You should be very proud of what you've done.
Hey Rob;
I was reviewing the whole thread again,(really enjoying the view!) and was wondering if you just went with polishing the spoke nipples out like you mentioned? I got some wheels that I was wondering the same thing about, and now that it is beginning to look like Old Man Winter is about to release his grasp, I will be getting back into the garage and pick up on some projects where I left off. I still need to take care of some details on my brother's '71 Berkshire to make it more complete and mechanically sound. Still think I'm just going to leave it all original but this restoration you did is an excellent guide to go by for anyone wanting to do a similar project.
I'm envious of your work shop and tools! You do things very thoughtfully and a lot of times it's the little things that make a project really stand out. I like to do as much work myself as possible and have access to lots of equipment at work, but room to work is my main issue. Just can't bare to part with anything yet to create more room! I have to move some stuff outside when I work, so that is what curtails me during the winter, and this winter has really been a major pain in a lot of ways!
Again, very nice work.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
You guys here are absolutely the best. I was beginning to lose it, and I think you could sense that. Koen, George, Al, Sean, Dan, Dale, Bill, JC, Ron, and Dan, thank you all for lifting my spirits. I was never looking for attention, or recogition, I just sometimes wonder how a topic here can have 300 views, and no response. But I understand it is what it is, and that's what it is, and accept it. Up 'til last Friday, it had been 107 days of nothing but freezing temps (on a good day, in the teens), and snow, and snow, and more snow (120"). I should have never started that lame Facebook comparison garbage. Mostly I'd like to apologize to Clark for going off, getting snippy and defensive. I'd like to clarify to Clark that today I love Enduro racing, have nothing but respect for enduro riders - wished I had ridden them in my younger days - and my personal favorite motorcycles that I own, are Pentons in full enduro trim.
Dan M, those small soft wire wheels on a Dumore worked wonderfully, it turned out not to be rust though, just caked-on hardened dirt/junk.
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/BobWardlow/St228_zps9c8af720.jpg)
Here's the next one I did after the Steel Tanker
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/BobWardlow/Maic3-2-14d_zps5401fd6d.jpg)
She's a beaut, Rob, and if it had a facebook page (and I knew how to use it) I'd "like" it, and "follow" it on twitter...or the racetrack. JR
I'll officially chime in and say that both the steel tanker and the 501 look great. The only thing I see wrong is that they aren't parked in my garage...
Nice job!
Shane
The Maico looks awsome. I think the first real dirt bike I ever saw was a square barrel 501 Maico like this one. I was maybe 13 or 14 years old at the time ( maybe 1968 or '69), and had just started to notice motorcycles. I really didn't know squat about them other than they looked neat! The house we lived in backed up to a power line right of way that we used for all sorts of stuff, including riding when we eventually go to that. One day, I heard this gawd awful loud noise out in the field and couldn't figure out what it was. Then I saw this yellow motorcycle go by, but not real fast.The guys had no helmet on, and was just putting along, but I remember wonder what was wrong with it to make it sound like that??? I had no idea what two strokes were about much less what an un-muffled, open expansion chamber sounded like. You guys remember those days? When I finished rebuilding my Hodaka Super Rat a few years back, I ran it for a while with the stock open pipe just to relive that! I saw the same guys several more times over the next few days, and my older brother Ted informed me about two strokes and expansion chambers. Whenever I see a nice 501 Maico, (which isn't too often,) I immediately think back to a column Super Hunky had in Dirt Bike magazine years ago and about dreaming of a nice, lush golf course, and what you could do with it on a 501 Maico with a 5.00 Trelleborg knobby on the back!! I think I would like to maybe take a few staright line rides on one of these, if some one would let me and start it for me!
Hey Rob, did I meet you at one of the early Park Hills, MO ISDT Reunion Rides, and you were on a nice, fresh white 400 Penton? 2001 I think was the year? One could probably do a very nice job on a golf course with one of these also!
Very nice work,
Dan McEntee
One thing I forgot to add in my previous post. I just got finished watching SuperCross, and is it me or do all the bikes look the same? That was one thing about the vintage bikes, they didn't need a name plate. You could tell a Maico from a Husky from a Bultaco from a Penton from a Montesa from a Yamaha etc. just by looking at them, and even by the engine sound if you had a good ear. Just a mild rant, hope I don't offend anyone.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
Beautiful rebuild. Thanks for posting pics of the process. Working on one myself, so this gives me inspiration. Where do you get your zinc plating done?
Hi Todd, I appreciate the compliment on the bike, and the restoration thread / topic.
On zinc plating, I have my done here locally in Grand Rapids, I think you'll find someone that does it in most medium size cities.
Where did you get the Penton tags ?
Also, did you buy a new carb or just rebuild the old one ?
Quotequote:Originally posted by rob w
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Off with the Sachs raised letters. Putting Penton tags on the side cases.