This just popped up this afternoon. I bought a nice 1979 and don't have the funds ready. https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/mcy/4992503863.html Looks good and the values are climbing but I would like to know what you guys think?
Good 1K max bike
Pick up or storage available with delivery to Amherst and the next POG meeting or VMD.
Dale Fisher
Penton Owners Group - President/Memberships
Mudlark Registry
Facebook - Cheney Twinshock Racing Group - Administrator
'70 Six-Day 125 - V2017
'71 Six-Day 125 (Dave Fisher's) - V5553
'72 Mudlark - W257
'73 Jackpiner - 175 21159727
'74 Berkshire 100 - 40171056
'98 HP-14 Hi-Point
And some silly other bikes...
Kip, I think I would split the difference between 1k and asking price but I would really like to know why you put that number on it? Are you seeing non-stock items, Just overall condition, or the fact to it has not run in a while and would require a bunch of work? I am just getting into these bikes and honestly would like to learn from the guys who know.
As much as I respect Kip's comments.....I have to say if what I see on this bike i.e. the pipe,engine,frontend and wheels I would pay $2000 for it. Of course Kip is very knowledgeable and the engine could be junk since?? That is the reason someone needs to see this bike in person to be sure what it is worth. Also I cannot see the details on the pipe so Kip may be correct <:^)
Ron Carbaugh
With all due respect, seats are hard to find anymore, and I just purchased the exact same bike with a speedo but no headlight for $1100 in good running condition but needing possibly crank seals and the transmission shifting looked at, which can be done when the crank seals are replaced. I have a correct headlight, vs the $75-80 PP one, so at least to me, $2000 is way too much. They haven't been bringing much more than that in better shape. 74 1/2 is a border line year in my opinion value wise, with earlier being more valuable. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Mike, Thanks for the input. I guess I have looked through thousands of bikes in the area and $1000 is the going price for a rough running Yamaha DT or Suzuki TM and I didn't want to ride them when they were new! To me the REAL enduro motorcycles should have more value. Lets just keep that secret with in these walls. :)
Case-in-point https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/mcy/4978196922.html
Mike good point on the seat, and I guess I over looked that as I have a seat for that bike. I always look for a good pipe on these bikes as a real plus.
Ron Carbaugh
Hard to find one not exposed to the East side weather... 2k if the motor does purr...
Location does play a big factor, as does willingness to travel to retrieve a bike. I'm currently headed for Arkansas. Would you like to sell that seat, Ron? Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Anyone wanting info on the Detroit Craiglist posting contact me @
[email protected] . I am the owner and have been since 1993 or 1994 so long its hard to remember. Bike runs great and shifts perfectly. I've put around 4-5 hours on the top end and before I put it away it was plenty fast. I am an old racer from early 70's . Use to go to Hungry Creek 100 in Red Boiling TN and watch the big names of the time. At the time these bikes were pricey for a Tenn. boy . Anyway I am retired auto Engineer now so any questions?
Toolsurfer, I appreciate you strengthening my point a little. Shouldn't take to long to sell with that endorsement and I hope somebody here gets it. Thanks for the response and sorry for talking behind your back. ;) These bikes are so cool!
Mike I am headed to Houston for a week of medical test (normal) so when I get Home remind me and I will try and retrieve it and send you some pictures. Be safe Mike.
Ron Carbaugh
I still find 1974 175's in nice complete shape for under 1K. Quite a few here in Indiana and Ohio
Hi all
In case anyone is interested I'm going to be listing several bikes for sale on the site within the next week including my 74 250 Harescrambler. It's a nice bike and runs great. Equipped with a complete enduro kit too. Bike is in Tulsa, OK area. Going to ask $2850 and can send pics to anyone interested. I should be able to deliver it to the AHRMA XC in New Blaine, AR in two weeks with a paid deposit. To email use my screen name here and add @cox.net. Thanks !
Dave McCullough
If you are buying anything from Dave you can be assured that you are dealing with a Honest and Nice guy.
Ron Carbaugh
Make sure you delete the last . from his email address. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Is that a 1973 "black" motor in the Detroit bike link that started this post? Looks like the black motor clutch cover but, painted silver. Any insight? Cheers.
Mike
Hi all,
Here are a couple links to pics of my 74 250 HS. Will try to post descriptions of the bikes for sale later tonight.
Dave McC
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwbj5863bz1d7rz/74-250HS-29.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w9cgkst1hb9jibx/74-250HS-32.JPG?dl=0
Mike,
The Craigslist bike has the early 74 tin rear fender mounts on the corners of the rear frame loop, as Dave's bike does as well, indicating a fairly early 74 probably made somewhere around December or January, but unlike Dave's it has the reinforced lay down shock mount rear down tubes. Dave's has a frame number of 401, or Jan. 74, so the reinforced rear frame tubes may put the craigslist bike slightly later that Dave's bike. The 74 1/2 250 HS that I just picked up has a frame number of 411- and the reinforced lay down shock rear down tubes but the later single center rear fender mount, not the tin corner mounts, since it was made Nov. 74. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Well, it's still for sale. Looks like it might be a lot closer to a thousand dollar bike than the asking price. Anybody called on it? I would love to get it. I just have too many interests tying up my spending cash.
I sent an offer since he is local and received a prompt reply [V]
Dale Fisher
Penton Owners Group - President/Memberships
Mudlark Registry
Facebook - Cheney Twinshock Racing Group - Administrator
'70 Six-Day 125 - V2017
'71 Six-Day 125 (Dave Fisher's) - V5553
'72 Mudlark - W257
'73 Jackpiner - 175 21159727
'74 Berkshire 100 - 40171056
'98 HP-14 Hi-Point
And some silly other bikes...
One person opinon I guess ??????
Quotequote:Originally posted by 454MRW
With all due respect, seats are hard to find anymore, and I just purchased the exact same bike with a speedo but no headlight for $1100 in good running condition but needing possibly crank seals and the transmission shifting looked at, which can be done when the crank seals are replaced. I have a correct headlight, vs the $75-80 PP one, so at least to me, $2000 is way too much. They haven't been bringing much more than that in better shape. 74 1/2 is a border line year in my opinion value wise, with earlier being more valuable. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
1979 Husqvarna OR390
1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R
Way too many vintage bikes especially Pentons asking price is way too high for the current market. I see it a lot. When a bike takes a long time to sell it is not opinion. It is the sign the person is asking more than the market will bear. My Grandfather used to say, "When something sells it shows it's worth. It was proved because someone paid it." Kip is on that bike at a max of $1000 as it sits.
Larry P
There are definite plus and minus aspects. It runs and comes with a title and to some the title alone adds considerable value. I never question what someone asks but only consider what is personally affordable. A number of us have investments that are well above market prices.
Doing some rough and quick math for just some basics:
(Engine work and something more original in lighting additional)
Seat base, foam, cover, hardware - $300
Fenders - $130
Filter/filter oil - $75
Tires and tubes - $250
Shocks - $250
Chain - $75
Total - $1080.
That being said I am still willing to go take a look or offer transportation.
Dale Fisher
Penton Owners Group - President/Memberships
POG Merchandise
Mudlark Registry
Facebook - Penton Owners Group - Administrator
Facebook - Cheney Racing Group - Administrator
'70 Six-Day 125 - V2017
'72 Mudlark - W257
'73 Jackpiner - 175 21159727
'74 Berkshire 100 - 40171056
'98 HP-14 Hi-Point
And some silly other bikes...
Dale, many times people have more in a restoration than the actual worth but a bike is only worth what the market will bear. Having spent too many dollars on a bike does not make it worth that. It is worth what it is worth. All in all a lot of the asking prices now days is too high and that is why many bikes don't sell very quickly. Dreamers wishing a higher value.
Larry P
I, like many others I feel, will pay a higher price for a slightly more rare model, in my case, since I, at 240 LBS tend to stay away from the smaller Sachs Pentons, like a limited production early introductory 79 KTM MX-6, a KRP Flat Tracker, a 78 GS-6 or a Red Tank 1977 MC5 or Blue 175 MC5, an early bike like a Yellow 73 or early 74 Red Tank 250 HS, or Mint 400. My reasoning is not because they are worth that much more, because once hard work and NOS parts and freshening up a running bike that runs but really needs those 35-40 year old crank seals, piston or rings and gaskets at the minimum, just to keep a running engine from sucking air and croaking, ruining a perfectly good engine and even just a quick touching up in best cases or repaint, shocks, steering head o-rings, fork seals, and decals in most cases, but because I want to have a nice bike to keep or at least enjoy until the next diamond in the rough catches my eye. I seem to almost always wind up selling something I would have liked to hang on to at least a while longer, just to afford the new acquisition, as my mood strikes me. The good new is, that my new Fiance' adamantly wants me to keep those bikes, and is helping me to manage the restorations in a more positive way and keep collecting my favorites!!!
I don't buy bikes with the intent of making a living or even a profit in fixing up or restoring them, it's the enjoyment of owning and seeing your finished bike come together with pride and joy that is hard to explain, and on occasion sharing that with a new owner of a prized possession. I have sold more bikes for 2/3 of what I had in them that I care to mention, given away frames and parts to Gary because I don't want to see/hear them calling at me to spend $ I don't have on building another from scratch bike, and I might pay 1/2 too much for the fond memories, but its hard to justify paying much over the generally found to be asking price for a model that is easy to find for $1,200 or less in better condition or $700-$800 in running condition, and even $2000 for one someone already completely refurbished and save yourself $1,200-$1,500 by doing so. Just my 2 cents...Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1978-1979 MX-6 175 & 250 KTM's
1976-78 125-400 RM's & 79 PE250 Suzuki & 2012 DR650
2007 CR125R Honda
1977 MC250 Maico
Good points Mike. I don't collect much evidenced by me selling my Astrodome restored Berkshire to Pelicano Guano Motorsports for their museum because they offered quite a bit more than it was worth. When I miss it I just get on their website and say hi. This is perhaps a case of point of view and as the Indians said, "You don't really know till you walk a mile in someone elses moccassins.
Larry P
Hey Dale ,respect POG opinon on bike pricing etc. I 'm the guy with 250 . The born date is June 1974 . Any way I live her in Clinton Township near Metro Beach and just thought I would give a shout out. Had a conversation on email this morning with Paul Danik about Hungry Creek 100 cup holder . A race the Pentons used to attend near my home town.
Quotequote:Originally posted by Dale Fisher
There are definite plus and minus aspects. It runs and comes with a title and to some the title alone adds considerable value. I never question what someone asks but only consider what is personally affordable. A number of us have investments that are well above market prices.
Doing some rough and quick math for just some basics:
(Engine work and something more original in lighting additional)
Seat base, foam, cover, hardware - $300
Fenders - $130
Filter/filter oil - $75
Tires and tubes - $250
Shocks - $250
Chain - $75
Total - $1080.
That being said I am still willing to go take a look or offer transportation.
Dale Fisher
Penton Owners Group - President/Memberships
POG Merchandise
Mudlark Registry
Facebook - Penton Owners Group - Administrator
Facebook - Cheney Racing Group - Administrator
'70 Six-Day 125 - V2017
'72 Mudlark - W257
'73 Jackpiner - 175 21159727
'74 Berkshire 100 - 40171056
'98 HP-14 Hi-Point
And some silly other bikes...
Toolie,
Based on an email I received this afternoon you may have an very interested party. The reply was I would be happy to add some local support to his effort. I'm not too far away in Brighton [8D]
Dale Fisher
Penton Owners Group - President/Memberships
POG Merchandise
Mudlark Registry
Facebook - Penton Owners Group - Administrator
Facebook - Cheney Racing Group - Administrator
'70 Six-Day 125 - V2017
'72 Mudlark - W257
'73 Jackpiner - 175 21159727
'74 Berkshire 100 - 40171056
'98 HP-14 Hi-Point
And some silly other bikes...
I had mentioned to Toolsurfer this afternoon that he ought to try to attend a POG meeting sometime, if they will let three of you guys across the boarder into Ohio in the same evening :)
I know Mars has a limit on how many can leave at one time....
Paul
Bringing this back to the top as there are a few folks looking for bikes and this looks like a good one!
I talked to "toolsurfer" but he was just too far away to make it happen. Very nice guy. I ended up with a 250 from close-by North Carolina.
Good luck to all looking and buying.
RP
I'm in the market - but what bike are we talking about here?
I'm not finding a link.
Thank you.
'10 KTM RC8R Akrapovic LE #21
'07 BMW R1200S Wossner
Sorry, looks like the original CL link is busted/too old. IIRC, it was a '74 250 and it was priced at $2000?
Contact Toolsurfer and he can forward photos to you or I can send some that he sent my way.
RP
Did anyone purchase this bike from William?
RP