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General Discussion => Penton Talk => Topic started by: thrownchain on February 12, 2016, 10:01:46 AM

Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: thrownchain on February 12, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
I'm thinking of getting a hydro blasting set up for my shop. If I do and offer the service to others, would people here use it ? Is it a worthwhile investment ? or should I send my stuff out ?
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: KJDonovan on February 12, 2016, 06:32:50 PM
Ron,

Is "hydro-blasting" the same as vapor blasting?  I ask because I just got back from a guys shop who does vapor blasting and I was absolutely amazed.  Had him do the cases, jug, head, carb and bunch of other bits for the 250 I just started on.  Unlike grit or glass bead blasting it does no raise the surface or remove material, just cleans it as nice as new.  I only know of 2 guys in the country doing in, one in Arizona and Mark at NoreasterBlastWorx in New Hampshire. If you're considering getting the same kind of setup, I am guessing there will be plenty of demand when people see how amazing this process is. the  Below is a before and after of the carb.

Before
(http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt298/KJDonovan/Hare%20Scrambler/IMG_8922.jpg)

After
(http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt298/KJDonovan/Hare%20Scrambler/IMG_8929.jpg)

Thanks,
Kevin
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: thrownchain on February 12, 2016, 07:08:42 PM
Yes, same process, there are a couple of guys in Pa doing it also.
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: brian kirby on February 12, 2016, 08:29:20 PM
Did you have the slide blasted?

Brian
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: thrownchain on February 12, 2016, 09:41:22 PM
They claim it's gentle enuff to not hurt o rings or other rubber parts, and plastic parts as well. So blasting a non coated slide such as the Amal should be very easy.
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: Patton on February 15, 2016, 11:48:32 AM
Kevin, how much was the blast?

Thanks in advance, Robert Patton
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: KJDonovan on February 15, 2016, 12:48:24 PM
Robert,

I had a lot of other stuff besides the carb done and he didn't itemize the invoice, but I would guess the end of it for the ultrasonic clean and blast of the carb was probably somewhere around 20-30.

Thanks,

Kevin
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: Patton on February 15, 2016, 01:07:01 PM
Fantastic, I'll box-up a bunch-o-stuff and send it to Mark. And, if thrownchain gets the equipment, we'll send parts to him on future restoration projects.

RP
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: Cal Alexander on February 18, 2016, 02:13:05 PM
The other guy doing Vapor Blasting in the U.S. is Dan Vitaletti out of Santa Fe, New Mexico. I've used Dan for the past two years now and he does a great job. He will vapor clean and rebuild your bing carbs for about $25. I have him do the engine cases, cylinder, head, wheel hubs, fork legs, etc.. on all of my restorations. You can check his web page at Vapor Blast Solutions or contact him at 505-946-7097. Dan restores vintage bikes for collectors and even rode a Penton Six Day back in the day [8D]

75 250 MC
74 Jackpiner
72-73 Six Day
72 Berkshire
70 Six Day
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: 454MRW on February 18, 2016, 02:25:36 PM
I've been to Dan Vitaletti's shop dropping off a bike along my many travels. He's a nice guy and an early Maico 125 expert restorer. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1978-1979 MX-6 175 & 250 KTM's
1976-78 125-400 RM's & 79 PE250 Suzuki & 2012 DR650
2007 CR125R Honda
1977 MC250 Maico
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: amherstscott on February 18, 2016, 04:08:04 PM
amazing looks so much better than bead blasting is the set up very complex, may want one for my shop if its easy and not to expensive, does harbor freight have one. lol
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: amherstscott on February 18, 2016, 04:15:06 PM
just researched it looks like a sand blaster but uses water very interesting
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: danvitaletti on February 18, 2016, 10:46:48 PM
I have been providing a vapor blasting service for over 4 years now, and still get amazed with the results this process gives.  Major advantages over bead, sand, soda and shell blasting are:
1, It does not create a rough porous surface that will attract and hold dirt/grease
2. Threaded holes do not get embedded with abrasive particles, requiring thread damaging taps to clear them
3. It does not remove or erode metal surface, does not damage rubber parts (O-rings, seals).  Bearing fits and tolerances not affected.
4. Gives a superior finish over other cleaning processes.
5. No hazardous chemicals or high pressure used, only water, glass beads and compressed air
If you want to learn more or interested in purchasing a system, contact me via my website  //www.vaporblastsolutions.com


Dan Vitaletti
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: Patton on February 22, 2016, 12:24:46 PM
Oops, found Dan's information in a previous post.

RP
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: 242 on February 22, 2016, 02:18:44 PM
We have a new fellow in the area doing blasting with water and recycled bottle glass. Don't know what it is called but will ask him today. It most be fast as my wife and I had lunch went back and it was done, $20.00. That was a 78 mc-5 frame. Going to pick up a 75 frame, swingarm, and exhaust pipe at 4:00 $35.00. Its real easy on parts and he can spray a mist of something so the parts don't rust. This is a new unit on a trailer. Dave
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: Patton on March 08, 2016, 05:18:21 PM
Just got back 3 carbs and some other parts from "Vapor Blast Solutions" (Dan) in Santa Fe, NM and the are the same picture-perfect look as Kevin posted in the second post to this thread.

Very reasonable price , $80.

Thanks, Dan!

RP
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: t20sl on March 08, 2016, 10:31:58 PM
One word of caution on vapor blasting, hydro blasting or glass beading.  DO NOT use on a bearing surface.  Bearing surfaces must be masked.  All of these processes WILL absolutely alter surface finish and is never good for ball or roller bearings, plain bearing or valve guides.  Yes I know companies say its ok but it is NOT.
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: thrownchain on March 08, 2016, 10:48:02 PM
I know most blasting processes won't work on machined surfaces, bearings of any sort, crank surfaces, wrist pins etc. Still working out the details of the purchase.
Title: Hydro Blasting ??/
Post by: Rob Thatcher on March 10, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
I've used Dan's service and he does fantastic work.  He did all the engine cases and lots of little pieces parts for the Six Days I rebuilt a couple of years ago.  Fast turn around and great work on the carb cleaning.