The last CC event of the year is at Sicily Island, Louisiana. It's a two-day event but only listed as one round. Does anyone know, is it the same format as the old Reunion Ride? That is to say, two days of racing and one score?
Mick
It appears so. I would prefer all of the Qualifiers be either individually scored by days or all as one event.
Brian
Of course when was the last time AHRMA did anything with much racer opinion involved. They pretty much do things their way.
Larry P
Where is this schedule shown? Is that for 2017 season I assume? Does anyone have the schedule web address for all of AHRMA if there is one?
Thanks, Ted
Hi Ted, click on the link below:
http://www.ahrma.org/schedules-results/cross-country/
Mick
Thanks, Mick!
I never did understand why the RR events were (are) scored as one event... You have to keep your bike in running order for many more miles than a standard XC race. Plus the fact that there are different types of riding done at these events.
On another note, I have asked AHRMA about the other two ISDT Qualifier's formats. They are showing both Vintage and Post Vintage running each day, which tells me the format will be a regular XC event and not the former format of individual tests for the two days...:(
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1982 Suzuki PE 175
1976 Penton 175 XC
1985 20' Hi Point trailer
I am on the steering committee along with Jerry Atchison, Craig Hayes, Brian Kirby, and Greg Holder. The Events will be like the ISDT Qualifier style events with checkpoints and different special tests. The events will be scored each day for AHRMA points but combined for medals. You can go one day and win first place points but if you don't ride both days you don't get a medal. There are to be 3 Two-Day Six Day style events. Louisiana will be the final and Six Day reunion. The banquet will be more of a social event and not as formal as the past. The Winters family have given us their blessing to continue using Leroy's name in conjunction with this event but it is not just a ISDT reunion. It will be the Leroy Winters Memorial ISDT / ISDE Ride. It will be for ALL SIX DAY TEAM riders from all years (and Fans of the SIX DAYS). I hope all can still make this event memorable. Too many liked this event to let it pass into oblivion. But with some tweaking and making it obvious we are inviting all ISDT and ISDE riders to attend (whether they ride or spectate)it will continue for many years to come.
Dwight Rudder
Awesome! Thanks for the info Dwight! Merry Christmas....
Quotequote:Originally posted by Dwight Rudder
I am on the steering committee along with Jerry Atchison, Craig Hayes, Brian Kirby, and Greg Holder. The Events will be like the ISDT Qualifier style events with checkpoints and different special tests. The events will be scored each day for AHRMA points but combined for medals. You can go one day and win first place points but if you don't ride both days you don't get a medal. There are to be 3 Two-Day Six Day style events. Louisiana will be the final and Six Day reunion. The banquet will be more of a social event and not as formal as the past. The Winters family have given us their blessing to continue using Leroy's name in conjunction with this event but it is not just a ISDT reunion. It will be the Leroy Winters Memorial ISDT / ISDE Ride. It will be for ALL SIX DAY TEAM riders from all years (and Fans of the SIX DAYS). I hope all can still make this event memorable. Too many liked this event to let it pass into oblivion. But with some tweaking and making it obvious we are inviting all ISDT and ISDE riders to attend (whether they ride or spectate)it will continue for many years to come.
Dwight Rudder
1976 MC 5 Original Owner
1982 Suzuki PE 175
1976 Penton 175 XC
1985 20' Hi Point trailer
Mick, where did you see that it is only one score? On the AHRMA website the event is listed as round 20 and 21....
Quotequote:Originally posted by Mick Milakovic
The last CC event of the year is at Sicily Island, Louisiana. It's a two-day event but only listed as one round. Does anyone know, is it the same format as the old Reunion Ride? That is to say, two days of racing and one score?
Mick
1976 MC 5 Original Owner
1982 Suzuki PE 175
1976 Penton 175 XC
1985 20' Hi Point trailer
Dwight,
Hats off to you, Jerry, Craig, Brian and Greg for your efforts.
I see that the AHRMA Cross Country series is the John Penton/Preston Petty National Cross Country Series for the upcoming year. How cool is that ! I am sure that any rider who earns one of the plaques from these events, and manages to get it signed by John Penton and Preston Petty, will have themselves a memento that will surely bring a smile to their face whenever they look at it.
http://www.ahrma.org/schedules-results/cross-country/
Very impressive indeed, looks like the series has the wind to its back for the upcoming year.
Paul
Originally AHRMA had it as one round, then changed it to two rounds.
Mick
Quotequote:Originally posted by Larry Perkins
Of course when was the last time AHRMA did anything with much racer opinion involved. They pretty much do things their way.
Larry P
I'm not sure just what that means...no racer opinion involved???
Doing things their way???
AHRMA relies on off-road clubs and individuals to step up and put on the XC series events.
A group stepped up last year to put on the first Vintage Enduro in WVA. I'm quite certain that "racer opinion" was important to the organizers when they did the course layout design and rules package.
Looking at this year's XC schedule, I see new groups with years of experience and indeed "racer opinion" stepping up to put on new events...folks such as the Perry Mtn and Bear Creek Sportsmen.
I agree with Paul...I count 21 events...at least 3 different formats (XC, Enduro, ISDT)...at 12 different venues...Very Impressive.
Richard Colahan
1969 V1225
Upper Black Eddy PA
Richard the vast majority of AHRMA decisions are still made by the old guard and have from day one. They have rarely done things based on racer opinion unless it is roadracers making off-road decisions. I have raced AHRMA since about 2001 and they have always drug their feet against progressive things like kids racing. That issue drove the MOVMX series away from AHRMA and still causes bad blood when AHRMA has a Missouri event. AHRMA is rarely progressive and hard headed. Their hard headedness almost caused the organization to go bankrupt in a senseless lawsuit that also led to them losing Mid-Ohio. Does that explain it better?
Larry P
Well Larry...it certainly explains your frustrations with AHRMA, which I respect. Sounds like they've made some strategic errors in the past. Point made.
However, since joining AHRMA in 2014, my experience, my perspective and subsequently my opinion is obviously more positive. I'm with Paul on this one...I think the 2017 XC series will be quite successful this year. And thanks for the heads-up...if I do get a call from an AHRMA road-racer trying to tell me how to write the Enduro rules...I'll be ready!
Quotequote:Originally posted by Larry Perkins
Richard the vast majority of AHRMA decisions are still made by the old guard and have from day one. They have rarely done things based on racer opinion unless it is roadracers making off-road decisions. I have raced AHRMA since about 2001 and they have always drug their feet against progressive things like kids racing. That issue drove the MOVMX series away from AHRMA and still causes bad blood when AHRMA has a Missouri event. AHRMA is rarely progressive and hard headed. Their hard headedness almost caused the organization to go bankrupt in a senseless lawsuit that also led to them losing Mid-Ohio. Does that explain it better?
Larry P
Richard Colahan
1969 V1225
Upper Black Eddy PA
Richard I hope you are right as I love racing Vintage but the turnouts for AHRMA events is going to have to get better for them to survive. The turnouts, especially in Cross Country are poor and a promoter can rarely make any money which is a necessity to have long term success. Something is needed to bring attendance up. Diamond Dons and Barber are money makers with good attendance but most of the others are very poor. Most Nationals have 50-60 riders if that. There either needs to be less Nationals or some changes to boost attendance. After you have done it a bit longer you will get a better perspective of AHRMA and reality. Things are much better run with David at the helm but there has to be progression and change over time or it will die. Not frustration just reality. Look at the MOVMX series which has kids classes and classes for even newer Vintage bikes as a progressive example. They routinely draw 100-150 riders.
Larry P
Larry is right about how AHRMA used to operate and I was very vocal about it, creating some hard feelings with some of the people in charge at the time. Fortunately, things have changed a lot since Fred Guidi has been Off Road director for these several years, he and Dave are working together and making a difference like the addition of the Pre-Modern front disc brake class for example. The kinds of things Larry described unfortunately still happen, but they are happening much much less often.
I still think there is absolutely no good excuse for AHRMA not having a vintage kids class. I was told at several different times by the "powers that be" that AHRMA didnt have a kids class because kids didnt race back in the day. Thats funny, because I was racing at 8-10 years old on an XR75 and I remember having big classes of kids racing against me. It would be VERY easy for AHRMA to have an XR80/100 class for kids 12-15 years old, those bikes are everywhere and they fit the same exact specifications as an XR200 so they fit within the AHRMA technical guidelines.
Brian
DAMN!!- No King Ferry NY round this year. I gotta tell you - the Cayuga Trail Riders Club (I think I have that right) did a beautiful job. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
YEA!! - Bear Creek NY Qualifier this year. Ladies and Gentlemen - be prepared. There is a sheet-load of tough trail in that little Catskill Mountains "hood". The club layed out a 6 mile plus loop for our 2016 regional XC and I was seeing/talking to dead people before the end of my 2nd race.
And I also wanna say THANKS to our AHRMA committees. Great job.
Bob...don't panic!!!
King Ferry 2 day WILL be back again on 8/12,13 2017...just not as a national XC series event.
Rather...it will be NE region event...and part of a new "mini" enduro series co-promoted by NE and MA (Dave Kutskel) regions.
It will be a Start Control enduro format...no timekeeping needed...and very similar to previous years...with all of their great trails and epic grass track!
Stay tuned...more info to follow.
Richard Colahan
1969 V1225
Upper Black Eddy PA
Great news. Thanks, Mr. Colahan.
If I remember right, I saw that McKees enduro and king ferry along with Hancock are the enduro series. There could be more but I'm not sure.
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If this were cable TV...Dale would be announcing "Breaking News".
I'll start a new thread...
Richard Colahan
1969 V1225
Upper Black Eddy PA
Quotequote:Originally posted by Larry Perkins
the vast majority of AHRMA decisions are still made by the old guard and have from day one. They have rarely done things based on racer opinion unless it is roadracers making off-road decisions.
Larry P
+1
Don't mean to get off the CC reference, but the Trials end of things is in the same boat. There just aren't enough people willing or wanting to ride the old AJS, BSA and Triumph Trials bikes to keep the series going. Those bikes are what ahrma Trials was built on, but at some point they will have to move forward and allow more Vintage class bikes in the Modern Classic class. They only recognize bikes built up to 1979. But there are so many early to mid 80's bikes that are air-cooled with drum brakes and twin shocks. Can Am, Fantic, SWM, Honda and more are excluded. There are so many Honda Reflex's out there that are certainly no more competitive than a 1970's Bultaco that could be competing, but have to ride the promoter class, with no points or recognition.
This year I will be unable to set up the ahrma Trials at Unadilla, so I won't be begging you folks for help.
So what does ahrma do ... take it off the schedule, after all the work that went in to building it and getting riders accustomed to it being there. Granted, it didn't pull huge numbers like the CC and MX does, but it was moving forward and all the riders I talked to had a great time riding the events.
I just don't get it. Seems a shame to me to drop it.
Sorry for the rant, but reading Larry's post dredged it up for me.
Thanks to the folks who have helped me in the past with checking and scoring.