I have been on the hunt for some time now for a Jackpiner, either a 70's or an LE. A week back I brought home a 200LE with all the goodies that they came with. Bike was from the PNW and was woods ridden for about 3 years early in its life. So I am looking for some help or suggestion on where to locate some LE specific parts.
1.Blue plastics and graphics, I have the MSO
2.the long fork boots for the Marzocchi M50 forks.
Thanks, Doug
Hi Doug,
I'm another PNW LE owner and I sent a note to the owner to advertise it here because there may be some interest. It may be tough to find plastics and graphics. I cannot get a response from KTM on continued availability on the plastics. And sadly I can't seem to find anyone at KTM that seems too interested in helping out. I found the fork boots for mine on eBay.
Do you have a copy of the original serialized document showing the VIN/Engine number and the number of the bike of the total LEs manufactured? There are a few of us trying to unravel the mystery on this and much of the KTM tribal knowledge has now gone away. There seems to be a corollary between the VIN and serialized number but we still need a bit more data to prove it. If you do a search here I've attempted to help gather a registry for the LEs that are still around.
Dan
Dan, From what I can barley tell from scouring the the web frame #1 began at either 191 or 192. Before the VM there seams to be the production date month and day the follows along with final serial numbers. So VM200xxx, just subtract 191 and you might have your Limited number. I just picked up a second one, So 131 to go, :D
The common theme on the survivors is if their ridden the exhaust pipes, handle bars and the plastics are not surviving time.
Doug
Doug,
I think it may be a bit more complicated. I have VIN: VBKEXJ202VM200252 and Engine Number: 0752300178. Also, according to a reliable source I think I may have #133.
Dan
Dan and I have written back and forth about our LE's. Mine ends with 238, and is #102/133. Oddly enough, the numbers just prior to "VM" is 208. My bike also came from the Pacific Northwest. The plot thickens:)
I bought my 200LE new from a dealer in Maryland,and was sent from KTM The official certificate of authenticity. built in June 1997,Model production number 97 of 133.Frame number VBKEXJ207VM200330,Engine number 0752300200.Paul is trying to put a picture on the web site,I'am not smart enough. Hope this helps. Bob
A few years back there was one for sale, VBKEXJ202VM200218 and was labeled as #27/133.
I have VBKEXJ209VM200281 and VBKEXJ204VM20053, the more I look at the numbers the more I shake my head at trying to figure this all out. I have one complete with the MSO from Lorain, Ohio. The other, it's papers were lost in an Estate transfer years back. Both of mine were from the PNW.
I am willing to bet that there were more than 133 made of the model. Just the Americans were shipped the 133 LE's and the Europeans just got a plane Jane version with out the John Penton version. The box of Goodies(extras) was shipped to the owner after they took delivery and was shipped from KTM Sportmotorcycle, El Cajon to the owner.
One, #281 that I got complete, I got the bent bars, the ripped seat cover, was replaced and pitiful thin, I see why it was replaced, and the crunched stock pipe. This one had the original chain worn flat over the rollers. This one was woods ridden in the wet PNW environment and probably carwashed after each adventure, this hard on bikes and will need all the bearings and seals replaced.
Neither of mine look to have the heads removed and are probably still on the original piston. I will be plating both of mine to ride and share with my friends. I wish Montana had the quantity single track as Idaho, but Idaho is not that far away.
Doug
All,
Is there any interest at all in having a 'KTM 200LE Jackpiner Owners' Facebook Page? It might be an easier way to keep track of current owners and their bikes. This seems to be a bit cumbersome to do this here.
I'd be happy to serve as an admin if there is enough interest.
Thanks, Dan
Here's a bargain for someone....
https://boise.craigslist.org/mcy/d/eagle-1997-ktm-200-rare-jackpiner/7207194108.html
Gone, I picked that one up last week
Dave if you do a FB page, I personally avoid social media. You could copy and paste my bike info but my personal info will not be available.
Doug
Doug,
No worries. I'm just testing the waters to see if there is any interest.
Thank you, Dan
I would be interested in a FB page. There was talk of a registry here and I sent my info in but haven't heard anything else about it in 6 months. I have #53 and would like to see how many of these bikes are still out there!
Hi Clint,
The registry didn't seem to have any traction. I think there were three or four of us interested, so it just kind of stalled out. My reason for a FB page is the broader exposure and the ease of pictures and messaging. I understand the caution some of us have about social media and would want to limit personal information. If you search for 'KTM 200LE Jackpiner Owners' on FB I've started a page there.
Dan
Hi Clint,
We attempted a registry here, but there didn't seem to be much interest. I think we had three or four people interested and then couldn't really figure out what the access to the registry would look like here. I understand the caution with sharing personal information on social media. With the FB account folks would be responsible for what they want to post. Plus messaging and pictures are quite a bit easier there. If you're interested here is a link to the FB Group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/734868590431438
Dan
Hey fellas I also have a 200LE. The bike we have was purchased from One The Edge the old Penton, Honda dealership here in Ohio. The same question came up about what number it is and I spoke with some very connected people at KTM and found out that there are more than the 133 that was said to be produced. I have a small picture of the last serial numbers of all the LE's and it shows ours is #142 out of 151. All the bikes after ours I believe went to certain individuals and media. From what I have been told the way KTM number the bikes is how the owners sent in there paper work. I am not on fb but it would be neat if we could get the LE owners together for a registry. Good luck with your searching. Greg
Greg,
Thank you for this information as well. I've been told the same. Is the picture you have something you could share?
Dan
Here are some of the numbers I have so far....
LE# 27, VIN# VBKEXJ202VM200218
LE# 28, The VIN ended 200235 and engine number ended in 67 and was originally bought by DM from Hillsboro Motorcycles in Oregon
LE# ?, VIN# VBKEXJ204VM20053, owner DK
LE# ?, VIN# VBKEXJ203VM200227, owner CWP
LE# 53, VIN# VBKEXJ204VM200267, engine# 0752300092, owner CD
LE# 63, VIN# VBKEXJ205VM200245, engine# 0752300174, owner SS
LE# ?, VIN# VBKEXJ209VM200281, owner DK
LE# 97, VIN# VBKEXJ207VM200330, engine# 0752300200, owner BG
LE# 102, VIN# VBKEXJ208VM200238, engine# 0752300058, owner RB
LE# (?), VIN# VBKEXJ202VM200252, engine# 0752300178, owner DM
VIN breakdown - World Identifier/model/HP/2 or 4 stroke/zero/check digit character (revolving number for altered VIN)/model year 1997/place of manufacture Mattighoffen/200/sequential serial number
It is possible that 15 to 17 LEs exist over and above the 133 total number, but this has yet to be confirmed.
I just joined the FB group. One thing that would help the privacy there will be more strict questions when someone is joining and maybe confirm the ownership of these bikes before joining. That would keep out the looky lous and then privacy wouldn't be as big of an issue.
Guys the picture Of the list is not mine to post. Sorry
Greg,
Is it possible to request permission to share the list with verified owners. It seems like this would be very helpful information.
Dan
Dan, I'm glad to see you are forging ahead with a list. I am not a FB guy, so I will look here. These bikes are treasures in their own way, and I am really wanting to know more about the >133 rumor. They were advertised and promoted as 133. My certificate says 102/133. There were supposed to be only 5 of the green 125 LE's. I hope that is true. I know of one 125 right now, owned by a fine Gentleman in MD. Robbie Bush used to have one (Rod's) in a crate, but I believe he sold it a few years ago. Anyone else with additional info??
Thanks Bob. I'll keep a list here and a list on FB. I've included a couple of questions as Clint suggested on the FB page.
In 2022 these bikes will be 25 years old. Kinda hard to believe.
It'll be interesting to see how many are interested in being part of the registry. I suspect there will be a good number that won't and that's okay. I've thought about putting a location down as part of the record to see where the bikes originated and where the bikes are now.
Dan
The origin and current location would be interesting to see. As a side note it would be interesting to see who has the extras that came with these bikes still.
Moto-Armory Museum in Illinois has (2) of the 125's, one belonged to Rod Bush, also have (3) of the Jackpiners.
RCG
RCG,
Do you know if there is a way to find out information on the bikes at the museum?
Thanks, Dan
I'm not in Illinois until spring. When I get there, I will go to the museum and get some serial numbers.
RCG
One of the things a few of us are attempting to do is figure out the correlation between the VIN numbers and the special edition numbers assigned by KTM for each 200LE. Each LE was issued a statement of authenticity when purchased new and assigned a number from 1-133. To crack the code is going to require some more VIN numbers and special edition numbers, and likely a degree in cryptology. That's why we're asking for the special edition number. We have had some help along the way and once we have the sequencing figured out we can likely tell you which serialized number your LE is. Sadly the tribal knowledge is gone at KTM and they don't seem to have an interest in helping us figure it out.
KTM 200LE Owners,
I've begun putting together a better spreadsheet with the following information:
200 LE Serial #, VIN, Engine #, Dealership where sold, Sale date, Original owner, Current owner, Current location
If you're interested in having your LE information on the registry I'll be happy to include it. A few people here will have access to it but it won't be published information.
You can email me at danjmorse@icloud.com and please include the above information if you have it.
Dan
With some help from one of the members here I was able to do a bit of detective work and I located the original owner of my LE. It turns out that the original owner knew where the supplied box of goodies from KTM were located...and I found them. I now have the original KTM supplied box with the 30th anniversary shirts, hat, gym bag, cup, and mug. It's pretty cool to have the box reunited with the bike after years of being apart. I'm still trying to match the VIN with the serialized LE number, so that's the next part of unraveling the mystery.
Dan