When Running the piggyback shock's in the lay down position the side cover's need to be notched out,with that being said is there a pair of side cover's already made or is this a custom job for my 76 250gs ?
Thomas Carmichael
On the first lay down frames the air box covers were formed to go over the shock,KTM later developed a cover with the oval area moved down and forward to allow shock clearance.Good luck trying to find that style. Oh,They were made from a plastic that broke real easy.
Meta1kfab, What do you think of this idea,take the airbox out and run a K&N filter for that lightweight look! HaHa! Was this the only option that was ordered from the factory,the plastic panels?
Thomas Carmichael
i have the same problem on my 76 125 ive seen picts. of the notched out panels. question, can you flip the shocks over and be any better off ??
Hi Chris, I have heard of standing the shock in the upright poition but I think that this defeats the idea of the piggyback,plus it just wouldn't look right to me.I was told this because I am running leading axle forks and he said that it wouldn't corner well in tight woods.I am running the resivior in the down position with the reservior facing the rear but with using the forward top mount this is the problem child.
Thomas Carmichael
Mounting the shocks w/reservoir at the frame supposedly reduced the unsprung weight on the rear wheel which would allow it to track better.As for a sock on the carb,I bought a 175 that came that way,just rode around the mudholes.The plastic covers are hard to come by,they always broke at the front edge,your boot would catch the edge when starting the bike.
So is the hot set up for tight woods resivior up? side plates will have to be cut even more right? I haven't bought cover's,I guess it would be easy to see if I bought them.
Thomas Carmichael
This topic about the specialized cover for the laid down position side cover has come up before, I have a pristine LH cover which can be reproduced, in order to to so I would need a commitment from our membership. In order to start this process ,I am willing to partake making moulds and producing repos. But I do have to pay for the moulds etc... so how many can I count on, I don't know, there is some risk involved.....
DKWracer
Depending on the cost, I could use two maybe three.
thanks
Rocket
Tom,I could use a set also.This is one reason I have held off buying the other set we have talked about. It would have been costly to cutting on the fiberglass pair if I measured wrong! Now wasn't that Tony Stewart ad saying measure twice cut once!
Thomas Carmichael
In order to make a run of the LH panel , I would need commitments for 6, so now there are 3 etc....
i would be interested in side panel, would you have any type of ball park cost in mind??
I figure at best ea. panel would be $35 and in Grey gellcoat only to keep the costs down....Tom...
You can count on me for one.
Thanks.
Glenn
Please, put me down for a sidecover.
Thanks
John
Thanks for the support, I will proceed with making the mould first, then a few re-pops, Tom...I need three weeks, stay tuned.....
at 35 a pop count me in
Hey Tom, will the panel have the indention spot for the mc5 sticker? I would perfer mine without if it is no trouble.This get's into a spot for me not knowing if the GS model came with the laydown shocks,I have been trying to stay as close to original as I can.This is why I went with the laydown's in the first place.If it has the spot oh well,I am still in for the panel,Before long we all can just start coming to you for our fiberglass need's!!
Thomas Carmichael
Lets digress for a moment, I have 76 MC5 panels in sets, here is a link to view the covers...http://home.attbi.com/~ronnfranks/
Check the For Sale area....In my understanding, the GS covers were larger covering the whole M-zoke reservoir and the upper mounting bolt...the later cover (MC5) is differnet in shape with deeper cutouts where the reservoir is etc....allowing removal of the shock without removing the panel. My 76/77 MC5 panels are the smaller version which does not cover the reservoir completely, you can also take a file and remove some of the lip that hits the fins of the reservoir etc....giving better clearance, Is this the cover previously mentioned as needing? I don't want to go to the trouble of laying out another panel when I have 76/77 MC5 panels......In 75, Penton did make a radical change to the frames, had multiple holes along the swingarm for the upright position, but was also able to run shocks in the laid down position, if you wanted to run in laid down, then a different panel was avail. (old style fiberglass airbox), that panel I have, but no re-pops
so am I missing something??? Tom....
Tom,
Please look at the the side panel, I was hoping that you were going to reproduce in fiberglass. Is this panel you were going to repo?
http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-tiscali/ktm70pages/Ktm%20360%20gs%20Alberto%20sx.jpg
thanks
John
Tried to view but got a permissions error etc....can you cut and paste the photo and attach as an email to me???
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i think the panel ime looking for was described by metalfabs post on 3/20 with the obivious triangle with the oval moved down and foward sounded pretty hard to come by may be others would work ? i havent a clue what goes on the right side mine has been missing for a long time 1976 125 ktm motor
Pay attention to the airbox....me thinks in 76 they went to the aluminum airbox with sidepanel tabs in three areas. this dictates which side panel will fit...mine are three mounting holes, with the slanted rectangular indentation for the MC5 decals, GS is a different story, but still holding to three mounting tabs, a true 76 has a different frame from a 75, easily identified by the upper rear frame members with "holey gussets" under the seat and at the top of the rear shock mount, MAN would'nt it be nice to see pics of model years of our bikes in vivid color somewhere on our website, guess we are not done yet .....Tom.....
Tom,according to all I have read the frame I have is a 76,it has flat tubes where the top of the shock bolts up and my air box is fiberglass,it also has bolt holes for upright shocks and has several settings on the swingarm.
Thomas Carmichael
I may be wrong here but I am thinking in 76 the oval tube frames were still being sold and the newer style MC5 framed bikes were being sold also. Blue_Dog just bought a 76 with an oval tube frame with KTM stickers on the tank, must have been a western Penton.
Rocket
Hey Rocket, I guess the right way to say what kind of frame I have is oval tubed also and not flat like i said, Man there is so many different frames and also I have found that the tank color's differ too.What IS THE CORRECT COLOR OF MY 76 GS 250? I have a red tank that the guy gave me when I bought the bike but I always thought the 100cc was red.
Thomas Carmichael
Tom
If you have an oval tube frame,(available mid 74 through 76) with 2 shock mounting holes on the frame and approximately 5 on the swingarm, your tank can be red, or orange. The GS6 frames, I believe, all had orange tanks, unless you lived out west, they could possibly be blue and maybe white.
The GS6 frame was similar to the MC5 frame, except it was a frame breather and had a rear frame loop. Were all MC5's orange?
Rocket
Wow let's see Red,Orange,Blue,White! I always thought red=100cc blue=175 white=400cc and Orange is new to me.What is the correct color for number plates?
Thomas Carmichael
Yipes what a lotta Penton Panel Plethora.... In reviewing what I am hearing, we need the LH panel for fiberglass airbox equipped models up to 76..as earlier frames sold well into 76, the panel I can repo is basically just like the early 70's but with a special cutout for the laid down position rear shocks, oval area is pushed down below the bottom mounting screw with a semi c-shaped area for the shock, Correct?????
Tom...
Yes, Tom, that's the one I'm looking for.
I have scanned a Penton brochure for the '75 models that shows it beautifully, if you want me to e-mail it to you. It's a BIG file, however.
Glenn
Simple, If all of you send me an email, I will send you a JPEG of the panel to be produced etc....
[email protected]
Tom
I believe that all of the number plates were yellow, except the 1st couple years of the 250's, they were green. As long as you are talking colors, don't forget that the 73 250 was yellow, tank and airbox, green number plates. From 74 on, the 250's were red. until sometime in 76.
Rocket
Please include me in the list for one of the left side covers for my '76 GS250. Thanks
Rob
Hey Tom, are we still a go on the side cover?
Thomas Carmichael
Yes, of course, I had to mount the original on a piece of plywood to make it flat, has been done, I have to coat the plywood with resin to make it easier to remove the original as the negative, keep the faith Poggers I'm still gonna do this, Tom....
Just an update, the master negative has been made and hopefully in 3 to 5 days I will have the panels, stay tuned....Tom.........
JUST A NOTE TO KEEP THIS SUBJECT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, BY THE WAY DO YOU HAVE THE OTHER SIDE SIDEPANEL, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THE SET LEFT AND RIGHT
Al Buehner carries repop's for the exhaust side.They are for the bikes with full shrouding on the exhaust pipe,the 250's were slightly different.Also,according to the lit.I have the late '74/75 250's had green number plates.
My '75 250 has yellow number plates
Well the panels have finally arrived...I have 6 of them, they turned out pretty good considering the age of the original, I would recommend scuffing and primering before the final paint....If you want a pic, here is my email address:
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