Penton Owners Group

How many of us would be willing to buy  a set of straight cut primary gears for the 100/125 Sachs engine Pentons if we could find a supplier?
 Its a 1.2 hp gain and no loss in reliabilty
John D.

 

John;
I recall that you looked into this about a year ago and couldn't find a supplier. At that time it seemed like there was a good bit of interest. Depending upon the cost, I might be interested in a set.
Richard

 

Yes we did but i was looking for gears that were already made.
 this time we are researching someone to build them. Dosent look like we will find and NOS gears like that.
The cost will depend on how may folks would be willing to buy a set. I know i would spring for a set unless the are  very expensive.
John & Peter


 

I will buy about 5 to 6 sets. I have been wanting to make this mod for some time on my Sachs engine bikes. Thanks

 

John,
It sounds like something that would be worth trying if its not cost prohibitive.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

Ok  guys,
 I should have the fax # for an former MZ enginer today. He has done straight cuts for Martijn for 50 cc bikes and uses a Czech company to do the manufacturing. Looks like this will be a go unless they are very expensive. How many would like them if we can get a reasonable price?
John D.

 

John, I would be interested in two sets, unless the price is to the moon.

Thanks.  Glenn

 

John,
I would also be interested in several sets. Thanks


 

I also.

Teddy

 

I would also be interested in a set, if the price is right.

John, do you contemplate that the layshaft wheel will have a needle bearing and not the bushing that is stock?  I just re-read your article on the needle bearing on a stock gear and I thought I would ask the question.

Glenn

 

You may check with Mike Mefford, ILL, at one time I think he had a set and knew quite a bit about the gears.

 

Glen
 it would have the hole for a stock bushing unless we requested them to supply a bushing with the gear sets. i would stick with the bushing. its a strong and  a proven design, but you could source any type of bearing that would fit and use it. The Bushing was used in the 175/6 and the military 180 cc Sachs.I'm not sure which article your  talking about though, could you give me a short cut to it?
John

 

Count me in for several.

 

John,

If you need any info about my set of straight gears, or need them for an example, let me know.  If the new gears are not terribly expensive I would be interested in some.  I'd need to know a price before I commit though.

Mark

 

I would be interested in a set if the price is not too high.

 

Add me to the list for one set, please.

 

John, I re-read the article I was referring to, and it's not yours (Sorry!) it's from a guy named Hahn, who converted his layshaft gear from a bushing to a needle bearing.  I downloaded it from some other site.  I left the printout at home this morning.  I'll try to remember to post the URL so it can be checked out.  If the gears are going to be remade, it might be a good idea to incorporate a needle bearing upgrade.  

Glenn

 

John,
I'll go for a set or two if it will help get it moving at a good price. Also, the URL that Glen was refering to was  http://www.mxbikes.com/tech/ I had asked Doug about this when he rebuilt my motor and he also thought it was better to stay with the bushing. Hope this helps.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

Yes John, I would buy a set up to $100.
Dave H


 

Ok Folks we have  a response from the engineer.
 Leo a Vinduro member and Sachs guy ( also a German Police Officer ) is helping with the translation.
 here is the response.
Continue with vinduro:
I just phoned with Ing. Mueller. He told me that he was the leading engineer in one of the MZ plants. He is no enduro guy, but a road racer.

He is able to make copies of the straight cut gears, but not only one and not hundreds.
Minimum is 10 and max. is 20, possible also 2 x 10. He will get the original from Martijn Stehouwer (Sachs built such gears for some factory racers of SWM, maybe Martijn has original parts, but I'm not sure), after that he will make the drawings.
The bronce bearing will be changed to needle bearings (2). It is also possible to change the ratio.

Most important is the price: It will be about 250 EUR, excl. shipping.
If he has an order for min. 10 he has to pay some money to the guys that make the gears ( I think they are in Germany or Italy, not Czechia).
Ing. Mueller has no idea how to handle the payment.
The way we did it with some spares or brochures (send the money with mail) is not the best idea, because it is more than 2.500 U.S.D. for 10 sets of gears.

If there are 10 guys who want to have the gears and pay the price, we can start thinking about the money transfer.
Leo.
 Ok guys let us know who would want a set.
 I will get one set so we need 9 more to get an order together. I do know I could not buy the steel and have it heat treated for a $100 . the setup time if I had the right cutter and an indexing rotary table would be  a lot. not even counting the # of cuts it would take to make each gear.
 The price is fair for a custom made gear with factory quality and strength.
John D.



Edited by - john durrill on 06/09/2003  4:46:13 PM

John, almost $300 is probably beyond what I had in mind.  However, my first 125 Penton race since May of '73 will be the 28th at Byron.  If after that race I'm looking to find more power, I may commit to one set.  I'll let you know then.

Thanks for all of your hard work.

Glenn

 

John, That's a little too salty for me also.

Teddy

 

John,

I've sent you an e-mail on the subject. Let me know if you don't recieve it.

Richard

 

We have 2 that have committed to a set. We need 8 more. I will ask that my set not have the needle bearings. I have a new bushing that I can use. Will check and make sure that the gear has the same size hole for the needle bearing as the bushing.
 We can do a money transfer from one bank to another. I have done that in the past. It's a safe way but takes some time to do.
 We just need 8 more guys to place an order.
 Let me know, those of you that expressed a desire, if you dont want them at this price.
 We should at least reply to the information.
 Dont believe its good manners to ask some one for something like this and not give a reply.
 John & Peter




Edited by - john durrill on 06/11/2003  02:33:14 AM

John,
   I will have to beg off at this time, the price is a bit higher than I expected.  Thanks for your leg work on this project.
Paul

 

Thanks,
 Paul, Teddy, Glenn
It dosent look like we can get enough together to make the min order. I sent an e-mail to an outfit here in the states to see if they would , 1 make the gears and 2 get a price from them and 3 how many would be needed for a min. order. should hear back in a day or so on that option.

 

Thanks for being on top of things, John.

Trying to have items remade (and the gasps we all make when we see the cost) is a reminder that we are not living in the past when it comes to paying for new stuff.  As has been said before, look at the price of the new bikes and parts and accessories.  Add to it limited demand, and this is the result.  Whether it's pipes or gears or seats or gas tanks, if we really want them, we need to mortgage the house.  I'm going to sell my modern bike so I can pay for racing and rebuilding my next project.  One's own labor is free, and used parts are around.  But these new items are hard to swallow.

Glenn



 

John,
I was going to let all the senior men who ride their bikes at the AHRMA & vintage races who keep the Penton flag flying take first bid on the ten sets of gears. I know I probably wouldn't put them in until I got my bike all back together and see how it rides after 30 years in the garage. But I will still commit to help all the others who want to add a little zip to their mounts. I agree that $250-$300 would be about max that I could go also.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

Hi John, I'm stay'n in, and I'm going to hold at $250. I'd also like to see the product first and know that it's been tested before I pay in full. Thank you for working on this so diligently.
Bob

 

recieved a reply from Rush Gears, they advertize building most kinds of gears in a short time frame. Looks to be a large company that build one off replacement gears.
 They declined to bid on the gear project.
 Looks like im back to looking again.
 We need 6 more that would go for the $250 price to get the German MZ enginer to design and have them made.
John D.

 

John,
Put my name on the list. Can't let you boys on the East Coast have something I don't. LOL

Donny

Thats % guys now if we can just get 5 more , chuckle chuckle we are in . :>)))
John

 

John,  I'm afraid I can't justify it to the bank (the Misses.)
But I appreciate your efforts immensely.
Dave H.

 

Mark Annan, You have some straight cut primary gears, can you notice any difference at all in the performance? I've heard they can make a winning noise, is that true?

John, I picked up the yellow pages a couple of weeks ago and called a guy listed under "gear makers". He said it's easy enough to make the gears, but the ones he makes are for commercial/industrial use. He said for a motorcycle engine you would want automotive or aircraft quality, and that the teeth should be ground after heat treat. The nearest shop to do that would be in a larger city like Detroit or Chicago.
Considering all of that and that there is a few other operations in there like milling the curved slots for the pressure plate and the (3)tapped holes, along with maybe lapping out the center hole for the bearing fit, that's a whole bunch of work.
$250 dollars does'nt sound like so much now. But I am curious as to how effective these parts really are for performance. Maybe if we all go road racing on our Sixday's we could really appreciate the added edge.
Thanks again John.
Bob


 

I have a used set of straight gut gears.  I have not installed them yet.  I plan to do it some time in the not to distant future.  I want to get a good feel for how my bike is with the stock setup then try the straight gears.  When I do it I will report the findings.  I'm sure they will be noisier than the stock gears.  How much I don't know.  As for HP increase I would expect a small gain ( less than 10%).

Mark

 

Richard, Rob , Robert , Donny
 I recieved an e-mail from Martijn.
He will buy 5 gear sets to sell in Holland if we get the other 5.
 Are you guys still interested? if so we need to contact the MZ enginer and get things rolling. I can set up the Money transfer. We have Leo in Germany ( the Police Officer) and Helmut an KTM dealer and Sachs Vintage rider in Canada to help with that. Helmut was a factory Sachs Six-Day rider and gold medal winner. He is in Germany now riding vintage enduros for the next two months.
 Please let me know as soon as you can so we can get the process in motion.
John D.


 

I'm in!

 

Hi John,
I'll still go in for one set to help the rest out. Are we still in the $200-300 range?

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

Robert,
It should be the same price quoted plus shipping. I think the way I read Leo's response is that we put up part of the money and they start production, then give them the rest when the gears are finished. The MZ engineer has already done gear sets for Martijn for the 50 cc bikes they roadrace in the Netherlands. He does know how to design and build good gear sets and has been reliable for Martijn.
We will need to get the monies deposited where I can transfer them to whatever bank we end up dealing with. Leo or Helmut (Speedy as he is called) will help with this.
If they are done by the RR we may be able to get Leo or one of the other two riders out of Germany to bring them over and we could pick them up then. That would help with shipping charges. We just need to stay flexible and on top of it.
John D.


 

OK John,
I guess you'd handle the transfer, so just let me know when to send you a money order or cashiers check and for how much. I probably wouldn't put them in the motor that Doug rebuilt for me, since it was the original, but I did pick up another that I could experiment on.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

John, Sorry about this, but I have either sold (last week) or am selling (VMD) all of my Sachs engine bikes, the only one that I'm keeping is in my "70", and that is going to be a putt-putt bike. I hope someone else will step up and take my place so your quota can be filled.
Bob



Edited by - rob w on 07/15/2003  07:34:53 AM

John, Bob,

Please put me down for one set of gears.  After my first AHRMA race, more power (without decreasing reliability) is just what the doctor ordered!

Glenn

 

Ok Guys!
Thanks Robert, Glen ,Richard
 My son will take the 5th set if no one else wants them.
 We will contact  Leo  today and see what we can get going.
 John D.

 

John, I'd take the set that Bob/Rob W isn't going to take now. I can be reached by email or phone (510)481-0554. Let me know when you need $. Ask these guys what they are doing for selector keys? I got two of the remanufacured ones from Alen. To make a long story short I found myself needing to split my cases after maybe only two race weekends and an hours worth of breakin. I had a new selector rod, key and mainshaft instaled. Upon inspection the new key is not holding up to the task it was intended. I emailed Doug wilford and he said he had one of the new keys break right off. It seems some one didn't do the metallurgy. The stock parts in an engine are made to specific metallurgical formula with one of many different types of heat treatment to achieve the desired strenght and hardness. If this isn't done right you end up with failure! I'm hoping Mr. MZ knows the right fomula. In the past I tried to get information about the sraight cut gears on this web site. I have an advertisement in dirt bike magazine Oct. 73 page 102. Grand Prix Cycles of Santa Clara California  distirbuted the gears and the add says the gears were made by CMS products of Mountain View California. I hanvn't been able to get any additional information about the type of steel used and the heat treatment process used. The add did say the gears "are machined out of solid steel by CMS and then heat treated for exceptional strenght". Mark AAnnan has a set of these gears. Wouldn't it be advisable to send these gears out to a metallurgist and have them tested for composition and hardness so we know we are at least getting something comparable in quality. I'm sorry if I seem like an alarmist but $300 is a lot of cash for an untested part.  I am in for one set. Keep us updated. Gavin Housh

 

Gavin,
 The enginer was the head of MZ enginering department.
 MZ built some very good and tough bikes.
 Martijn is supplying a gear set to use as a model. Ing. Muller has already built gear sets for Martijn and they have been tested road racing. I think we should be safe on that count. who ever Ing Muller uses to produce the gear sets knows how to make motorcycle primary gears that are strong enough.
 on the shift keys. you could try Martijn and see if he can supply them.  He should have a source. He Road Races 1 , 125 Sachs engine bike that he has converted to liquid cooling and rotory valve. He also builds 50 cc RR bikes and sells them . designs and builds  his own frames.
 we could try the Hammers in Germany. they sell parts for the 125 military engine and the key is the same for the ones built from about 71 up.
 is Al B selling reproduction Shift Keys?
 I didnt Know that.
 We should know something shortly on when to send money. i think we send some  when they start the design work and the balance when the gear sets are done. will keep every one updated as soon as i know. Martijn is in contact with Mr Muller every week or so.
John D.




Edited by - john durrill on 07/17/2003  11:45:03 PM

John, thanks for the speedy reply. Everything sounds good. Somebody was talking about changing gear ratios. That's not going to happen is it? Thanks. Gavin

 

Here is the latest on the gear sets,
 Its a note from Leo.


Hello John ,

I just phoned with Ing. Mueller.
10 units would be ok. He had no idea how to manage the payment. Money
order
is very expensive and paypal, cc and other things are unusual for
people
that are not involved in business.

Best would be:
Martijn has the original that Ing. Mueller needs to have. He also needs
a
Sachs 125 motor.
Mueller will contact Martijn to get the parts (they will meet in
Belgium/Spa
raceway in August).
Martijn will have 50% of the order so he has to pay 50%.
If Martijn makes the business with you, he could pay your part also.

Leo.

Guys,
We may just be able to do a western union money order or do it through Pay Pal . will check with Martijn and see how he could best recieve it.
 On the change in gear ratios ,No we are contracting for a Gear Set like the Sachs factory made for special race bikes
Will double check on the ratio and make sure.
John & Peter

 

John,
Sounds like it's progressing. I'll keep an eye on the message board for any updates as usual.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

John, any news on the gears. Gavin

 

Gavin.
 we recieved an e-mail from Martjin yesterday.
 Ing. Muller has a set of straight cut gears now . He should be able to send the design to the factory soon.
John D.

 

Gavin, Robert
Looks like the gears are in production as of now. we may need to send some monies to Ing. Muller.  I suggested half now and the rest when he is ready to ship the gears. we need to get things ready to do this.
 There are 5 of us In the POG group that placed a request for the gears. could all of you reply to this post and let me know how you would like to do the mony transfer. I think we can send Martijn the mony and he can get it to Mr Muller with thee least expense incured.
 John D.

Hi John,
However you want or suggest. If it's easier to send it to you, and then you forward it on to Ing. Muller, just say the word. I'm flexible anyway you and the rest decide to go.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

John, how ever you think is best is fine with me.  I could send you a check, money order or send payment directly to Germany.  Just let me know  how much, when and to whom!

Richard Beck

We just recievd a note from Martijn,
 he will send the monies to Mr Muller if we Pay Pal him.
 1/2 now would be fine as a security Payment for Mr Muller.
 You can Pay Pal me monies at [email protected]
Or send a check to
John Durrill
Rt 12 Box 152
Lake City Florida, 32025
 the orignal estamate on price was 250 euro
dont know what the difference is now between the euro and the US dollar.
 $150 should be half, maybe a little more, with what ever shipping charges we might incure.
 Let me know if you are sending a check so i know to look for it in the mail.
e-mail me with any questions at [email protected]
Thanks guys for making this happen.
John & Peter

Hi John,
Just sent you a Paypal for a partial on the gear set.(10/15/03 @12:25pm) I've also got a set of swing arm bushings coming from Al that your buddy David had made up. Slowly but surely this mid-life crisis is starting to come together!:D

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

payment sent, John.

best regards, Richard

Gavin , Are you still in for a set of the straight cuts?
 Richard did you send it by mail in a check or by Pay Pal?
 We can use my Pay Pal account to transfer it to Martijn in the Netherlands . We will have a recoard that way of how much and when an for what.
 Gavin please let me know. I will try e-mailing you as you may not have checked the board in a while. i know its several days sometimes before i can check it.
John & Peter D.

Folks i look forward to the new gears,
 I'm told that they add 1.2 HP to a B engine.
 the great thing is , its a mod that is free HP. there is no down side except a slight increase in engine noise. the crank and lay shaft should have less drag ( side load ) at all speeds and that should make the bikes produce more power in a smooth curve from idle up to max RPM.
 It's like fixing a rear brake lever that was stuck and had the brakes draging slightly all the time.
John D.

John, I sent the payment via paypal.  Check your account, if it's not there please let me know.

Best regards,

Richard Beck

Got It Richard.
  Must have missed the notification on my e-mail.
 One more POGer to go and will send the monies to Martijn.
Would like to send a note to Ing. Muller (Martijn will translate it for me into German). We should know a lot more after he recieves the note on specifics.

John,
Just checking to see if you got my payment via paypal. Hope I'm not who you're waiting for.;)

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

nope we have yours Robert no problem.

Latest update folks,
 the monies arived in the Netherlands ok and will be headed to Ing. Muller. Below is the last note from Martijn.

Hello,
 
Sorry for my slow response.
I catched a cold ,so was out of business for some days.
 
I found a PayPal message saying 750 dollars arrived.
 
I will tell Mr. Müller this tomorrow.
 
The ratio will be as the original,or as close as posseable.
The whole thing will run on caged needle bearings.
 
Best regards,
 
Martijn Stehouwer


 John D.

John, happy holidays. Any word from our friends over sea? I am hoping to have my bike ready in march. I  tryed to get ahold of Jake Fisher about those keys but all I could get was a fax machine on the other end. The other number went to his house I guess. I got someone on that line who told me to try the other number, which is connected to a fax machine? Gavin

Gavin i got an e-mail from Martijn on monday. he was at Ing. Mullers house and the gear sets came up. it looks like very soon on the delivery, no problems with production so far and they are near the end of production run.
 will check again Jan 1 and see whats up. we had some surgery done last week so i will be siting at home for a month or so . will be able to follow up better than last month on the gears.
John D.

John, sorry to here you had to go under the knife. I hate those frigin doctors, but I guess they have prolonged my life on two seperate occasions. Not to mention the knee fix twenty seven years ago, and I still walk, run, bicycle, work, and ride motorcycles. I hope your neck problem (it was the neck wasn't it?) heals quickly and lets you put that old helmet on soon. Thanks for the update on the gears. Sounds like everything is moving along. Happy holidays. Gavin

I know I'm a bit late in the discussion. I'm the one that installed the needle bearing and wrote about it! The main reason for doing it was that I had some play on the bushing and the hole didn't seem to be centered so I got cold feets and suspected possible cage wobble which could mess up the primary gear wheels! I figured I couldn't go out and buy the bushing for a couple of dollars but the needle bearing is easy to look up!

The conversion to straight cut wheels is better. That's just the way it is! A gain in HP and less side forces all the way from the crank to the shaft. I know that not everybody likes it but with straight cut wheels, one can go for another type of crank bearings too.
Of course It's not the designers intention to do so but neither is straight cut wheels. I don't care though :D  

Merry Christmas and a happy new year!
It's snowing heavily here at this time, huuuuh!

Latest update on the gears.
 this was sent the 28th.


Hello,
 
Has been some time ago we mailed.
just received the news th gears will be
ready in 4 weeks.
It took a long time,this time.
But I hope it will be worth the waiting to you.
 
Best regards,
 
Martijn Stehouwer
EMOTracing



 We are waiting on an answer on how much for shipping and how the gears will be shipped. will post the answer as soon as we get it.
John D.

Thanks, John.

Glenn

Ditto John,
I'll keep an eye on the board

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire

Thanks for the update.

Folks,
 the gears should be shipping with in two weeks. the cost to ship 15 kg's (33.075 lbs) is 80 dollars euro. we just weighed a set of the stock primary gears and they weigh in at 1 and 1/2 lbs.
converstion for kg's to lbs is 2.02 lbs per kg.
 looks like the gears should weigh in at less than 4 kg's (dont know how much the packing and box will weigh).
 will keep you updated on when they are ready to ship.
John D.

Thanks, John.

Glenn

Ditto,
Thanks John. Now I have a Six Day that I can test them out on!!

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day

Folks ,
 Just recieved an update on the gear sets from Martijn. Will post it below.

hello,
 
I have a very unpleasant message for you.
The primairy will take more time.
A stupid mistake was made.
When I got there the little gearwheel had
the cone of the ignition system as mounting point.
Which means they now have to make new
small gearwheels..
I am very sorry..It is a stupid mistake.
 
So you will have to wait longer ,I asked to hurry
things ,because racing saison son starts.
Some of my Dutch customers also wait for the things.
 
I have some clutchplates in stock.
 
 
EMOTracing

 It looks like it will be a month or so. I know Martijn is turning the burner up because he has customers waiting on some of the gear sets.
It seems nothing we get re-poped is quick. I know Al B spent a year with a vendor testing the Petcock repair kits befor he got kits that would work right. We ( Al , David Haines , and myself) spent 6 months working with a vendor haveing replacement swing arm bushes made for the 100/125 Sachs engine CMF Pentons. 6 Runs of bushes were made befor we got sets that were up to the orginal standards.  We are still waiting on Euro Rods for Rod kits made up for the 100/125 A and B engine and the 175 piner. I have one of their kits in my bike and it had to have the rod pin turned down .045 in length to fit. We had Falcion do the work and it was not cheap chuckle chuckle! .
 I know this is no help with the time frame we are looking at . Wish we had better news and will keep you guys updated on how its going.
John D. ( one more week and the neck Brace may come off Yeah!!!!!!!)

Hi John,
Sorry to hear the news about the gears,[V] but very interested in the rod kit project. I have to tear down the six day I recently aquired and give it a once over, so I have plenty to do. I'm glad to hear about your brace coming off. If it's like the one Bob Wardlow is wearing in the photo section, you probably don't sleep to well![:o)];)Anyway, thanks for the heads up.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day

Folks the gear sets are ready to ship.
 we need to get our monies in one place as soon as we can.
 the note from Martijn is posted below.

Hello,
 
We must contact...
The primary gearwheels are ready.
They are very nice.
They costed 250 euro each.
Makes 1250 euro for 5 pieces.
Or maybe you want some extra?
you once sent 750 USD of which
720 USD reached me ,the rest went into
bank transferring costs.
You also need clutch plates ?
Conrods? pistons?
 
Martijn Stehouwer

Here is the conversion from Euro to US dolars today

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Thursday, April 22, 2004

1,250.00 Euro = 1,479.50 US Dollar
1,250.00 US Dollar (USD) = 1,056.10 Euro (EUR)

Median price = 1.18300 / 1.18360 (bid/ask)
Minimum price = 1.18130 / 1.18180
Maximum price = 1.19150 / 1.19180


 Shipping will be above the 250 euro for each gear set.
Please let me know as soon as you can on when you will send the monies.
I can cover the shipping till we know how much it will be to deliver it to your door. Is that agreable with you folks??
Notice he has clutch plates , rod kits and pistons for any that have a need at this time.
John D.

Hi John,
Could you ask Martijn what the cost of a rod kit for the 125b is? I can send you payment via Paypal asap. Thanks for your help.


Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day

Robert,
 Here is Martijn's web page. He has rod kits listed for the Sachs engine.
http://www.emot.nl/webstore/catalog/default.php?manufacturers_id=21
 I bet they are for a B motor. A motor kits  are different. the Hammers in Germany should have the A kits
http://www.motorrad-klassiker-ersatzteile.de/html_eng/index.htm
 Both would take Pay Pal last time we bought from them.
Does this help?
John D.

John,
  Thanks, that will give me an option. I sent Donny an email inquiring about availability from Larry's stock, and haven't contacted Al yet either, but it's good to know Martijn has some out there also. I haven't pulled the Six Day apart yet, but I did get the flywheel off and the cracks in the engine case are fixable. Just need to get the magneto area sealed up from the elements.
  If I read your earlier message correctly, the conversion to US$ would put the gear sets at $295.90 ea. My notes show I should owe $95.90 plus shipping. I'll send some extra for the bank transfer costs plus the shipping to your Paypal address if that is ok with you. Just say the word.

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day

Robert,
Yes that will be fine. I am waiting for exact prices from Martijn now but they will change slightly every day with the Euro to USD exchange rate. We can figure out what to do about the small changes once the gears are sent. The bank transfer charges he spoke of must be for transfer from Martijn to the MZ enginer in Germany. Will let everyone know as soon as i do. At least we can split the changes 5 ways and that helps each of us.
My Pay Pal account is
[email protected]
If someone needs to contact me, my home phone is
386-752-9290
 John D.

Thanks John,
I just sent $150.00 via paypal and they should notify you shortly. If any further charges are needed, I'll send them to you. My ship to address is on the Paypal receipt. Thanks again.
Regards,
Robert

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day

Robert,
 send Doug a note on the case repair. He had a welder , local to him , that was doing this at a fair price and Doug was happy with the work. I think he told me that they made up a replacement piece from sheet stock and welded it in. It been almost 2 years since we talked about it though.
John D.

John,
Thanks again. I might have the "Doctor";) look at this one too! Seems I have too many irons in the fire right now.[B)]

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day

John,

Money sent via paypal. And also, thanks for the call.

Best regards,

Richard Beck

Richard , Robert we recieved both. Thanks guys!
John & Peter D.

John, I finally got the money sent to you this morning. Sorry, been busy. Gavin

Folks the money is on its way.
 will keep you all updated.
John D.

Just bought a 1973 125 qualifier.  It is a 6B engine.  how much for one set of straight cut gears?  Anybody out there making exhaust sytems for 6 day?
Atlasdelta

Gary W. Pendergrass

Gary,
 Martijn has a set or two not spoken for.
they are $250 Euro plus shipping. we ( some POG members) have 5 sets about to be shipped to the US. If you want a  set check his Web store and contact him.

http://www.emot.nl/

John D.

Gary,
 Did you want aset of the straight cut gears? Martijn is packing our box for shipment now. you could have them shipped with ours .
John D.

Folks,
 The gear sets have shipped.
Will let you know when they arive.
John D.

John D,
I ordered the gears from Matijn about three weeks ago.  He recently sent me an email indicating that he was delaying shipping because the gears didn't fit SACHs with oil pumps.  He said he would ship imediately as soon as I confirmed my engine didn't have an oiling system.  I sent him an email indicating no pump on my engine and I presume he will ship my gears imediately.  Have you heard anything about this?

Gary

Gary W. Pendergrass

Gary,
 If you have a cranshaft that has a slot cut on the primary gear side, has no threads back about 3/8 of an inch from the end, then the gear set will not work.  The slot was used to drive an oil pump.
Send me an e-mail if you like and i can go through fitting the gear sets. We are doing that to my engine now.
John D.