OK guys, lets have some fun. The rules are there are no rules. Post a question and someone can try to answer it. New questions can be posted before the old ones are answered, just number your question so we can match the answers up to the questions.
#1 What ISDT rider's father, who worked for Penton Imports, ran gas for the riders along with his wife?
#2 Who was known as Mr. ISDT ?
#1 Would that be Doug Wolford's father?
Ron Carbaugh
Question #3
Can you name a prominent New England woman enduro rider who became an ISDT Team Manager? (a caveat: I am really digging into my memory for her "title", but I am pretty sure it was team manager for Ossa).
Answer to #2
Would that be Jeff Fredette - "Mr. ISDT/ISDE," won ten gold and ten silver medals?
Question #2 When you was known as Mr. ISDT could that Mr. Eames?
Ron Carbaugh
Q #3, When did the ISDT become the ISDE?
Kip Kern's Question: When did the ISDT become the ISDE?
The most I could find was where Tom Niemela (Trask Mountain Pictures and History) says it changed in the early 1980's. Lots of great pictures with a little of his history at http://www.blackdogdualsport.com/TraskISDE.htm
OK -- I am having way too much fun with this and I don't want to hog the post. Can anyone answer my (what woman ISDT manager) or Kip Kern's (ISDE) questions and Paul or someone else confirm the answers to 1 and 2? The suspense is cutting into my productivity at work. (alright -- so I have no life)
#3 Marcia MacDonald?
#3a 1980 ISDT Brioude, France
1981 ISDE Elba, Italy
Gary (need a break from getting the Jackpiner ready for the ISDTRR)
#1 Yes, it was Doug Wilford's mom and dad. Doug's dad, Wally Wilford , worked for Penton Imports. Any NOS Hi-point/Penton parts that you have or buy that are in a shrink wrap package were probably packaged by Wally. He was a really neat guy.
#2 Al Eames was known as Mr. ISDT. Al is deceased but his wife and son should be at the ISDT reunion.
#4 Where did Mr. Penton store some of the first Penton's that arrived here from the factory?
#5 What famous actor was one of the first USA ISDT riders?
#6 What USA ISDT rider was a motorcycle patrol officer in the Bert Reynold's movie Hooper?
Question 5: Steve McQueen?
Question 6: Bud Ekins? A good friend of McQueens. He got McQueen more involved in serious motorcycle racing. If you check the credits for a whole bunch of movies you'll see him listed as a "stunt guy" (most notably, of course, "The Great Escape") You may also see Lane Leavitt and maybe Debbie Evans, observed trials riders who later did a lot of stunt work. If its an old movie, by the way, look for J.N. Roberts!
#4 The Barn on the Farm?
#6 Dave Mungenast in Hooper?
Ron Carbaugh
Q#3 - Gary is right - It is Marcia McDonald. I found out yesterday that Marcia will be at the ISDTRR. She will be flying into Dalton on Sunday --- returning back to the U.S. after ascending Mt. Everest up to one of the established base camps at approx 18,000 ft or more. Apparently her big interest now is mountain climbing.
Q# 5 -- I remember seeing Steve McQueen and his wife, Ali McGraw at the ISDT in Dalton.
#4 The chicken coop?
Gary
#7 What was Dane Leimbach's number?
#8 What was Doug Wilford's number?
#9 What was the person's name that sold Cycle News and as bonus what state was he from? There is going to be one person that will probably even tell what town he was from.
Ron Carbaugh
How can I register a protest if there are no rules?????
AMA says in its Hall Of Fame Museum:
Jeff Fredette (2002 inductee) - "Mr. ISDT/ISDE" multi gold medal winner, national Enduro winner and motorcycle performance product developer.
AND
Al Eames (1999 inductee) - Organized 1973 International Six Day Trial in USA
Of course -- I would have to give that POG pervails. If you say the Al is "Mr. ISTD" then so be it....
#4 Yep, the bikes were stored in the top of the barn, actually it is the Penton Farm Market, but it is a barn. They put the crates on a bale elevator and up they went.
#5 Steve McQueen
#6 Dave Mungenast
Lynn I thought the same thing, but I think Paul has been hanging around with too many Texans and has developed his own rules which means there are only his rules. We are having fun.
Ron Carbaugh
What year did the US team win the Watling Trophy? Bonus- what is the Watling Trophy and its' award meaning?
Watling Trophy was won by the USA in 1972?
Ron Carbaugh
#10: Looks like Ron is correct about the U.S. Team winning the Watling Trophy in 1972, but they also won in 2001.
Doug .... I found that the trophy has been presented since 1963 by ISDE international jury "to the country that puts forth the best effort under adverse conditions, showing the true olympic spirit of the event" but I have no clue as to what or who Watling is.
Here's #11:
In the 1973 ISDT event, how many of the 300 riders entered from around the world were riding Pentons?
Doug I believe that Lynn is correct on the year and the effort. But isn't the trophy normally awarded to a Vase Or Trophy team that shows the greatest improvement?
Ron Carbaugh
1st ISDE was 1981 Elba Italy.
Cher'o,
Dwight
Dwight Rudder
7 time ISDT / E medalist
7 time National Enduro Class Champion.
#9 Not really sure who sold Cycle News, but Chuck and Sharon Clayton purchased a Southern California company called Motorcycle Journal. They later changed the name to Cycle News. They later purchased (for no money) State Motorcycle News from John Penton and called it Cycle News East!
Donny Smith
Great job Donny, but where was the first location(town/city) of Cycle News East? Ed Youngblood could answer this question. Hint check out his web site.
Ron Carbaugh
Ron,
It was in Amherst on Church Street!
Donny Smith
OK OK I know when I'm messing with the Master. How do you expect me to earn expert status if I don't try? Signed GrassHopper
Ron Carbaugh
Ron, You have that backwords! You are the master and I am grasshopper! Learning fast!
Donny Smith
Chuck was using a $1,000.00 desk in his upstairs office!
Donny Smith
Donny - Seems like I heard about that desk from Sharon.
Ron Carbaugh
Question #9 The gentleman selling Cycle News was from Mississippi and made the trip to the 1973 Six Day. He was at most MX Nationals East of the Mississippi River. I really thought this would be easy.
Ron Carbaugh
I don't think anyone answered these...
#7 What was Dane Leimbach's number? -- 20
#8 What was Doug Wilford's number? -- 67
and I will throw in Paul Danik -- 81 for bonus points.....
I
Great job Lynn. Dane's number was 20. Doug's number isn't correct. I don't really want to give it away, but when someone does figures it out it would have been the number I would have thought would have been very best number to have. Thanks Lynn
Ron Carbaugh
answer to #8--Doug # was 73. I remember it from last month cover photo, and recall it was the 1973 event. 3putt
wnm
Man I can't wait to get to Pittsfield. When all these guys get together the stories are gonna be flyin . Paul you sure know how to things heated up!!
3put is correct. I thought having the #73 in 1973 was neat.
What brand of bike did Ron Lamastus ride in 1973?
Ron Carbaugh
Ron
He rode a rokon!
Donny Smith
Slightly off-topic, but good trivia and very relevant re: 73 ISDT and upcoming reunion ride:
Question 12: In Dalton, Massachusetts, there's a product produced for the US government. It's the only place in the world that makes this product. Name the product and the company that makes it. Hint: it's also connected to Al Eames.
John Leone
Ron: Interesting thing -- I got the information regarding Doug's number from the //www.isdt.org website as follows:
at: http://rokonron.50megs.com/isdt/1973.html
"125cc class: 71 total riders
17th Joe Barker(34) Penton Gold
20th Stellan Tingstrom (75) Monark Gold
21st Doug Wilford (67) Penton Gold
23rd Paul Danik (81) Penton Gold
30th Tom Penton(57) Penton Silver
54th Jim Hollander (98) Penton Retired
57th Les Grable(107) Dalesman Retired"
Does someone need to let them know the correct number?
JohnMO- Great question and the only reason I know the answer is that someone just told me before you put the question on the board. So I won't answer it and let some one else have the fun. Lynn on Doug's number I would let the Godfather(Doug) correct it unless he directs one of us to do the job. You know he is in that delegating managerial type thing - look what he did for USA at the 1973 ISDT. Thanks for the great site Lynn. And Yes Ron Lamastus was on a Rokon(with a Sachs engine). If you ever owned one of these you wouldn't want challenge Mr. Lamastus to a weight lifting contest. Thanks Donny for the correct answer - again.
Ron Carbaugh
One of the ISDT/E vets would have the most correct answer, but I think every year numbers were assigned to the riders. Depending on what class you were in, you could have a one or two digit number but in other classes you could have a three digit number. So unless the question was specific to one year, there could be many answers to the number question.
Donny Smith
#1 Yes, it was Doug Wilford's mom and dad. Doug's dad, Wally Wilford , worked for Penton Imports. Any NOS Hi-point/Penton parts that you have or buy that are in a shrink wrap package were probably packaged by Wally. He was a really neat guy.
#2 Al Eames was known as Mr. ISDT. Al is deceased but his wife and son should be at the ISDT reunion.
#4 Where did Mr. Penton store some of the first Penton's that arrived here from the factory?
#5 What famous actor was one of the first USA ISDT riders?
#6 What USA ISDT rider was a motorcycle patrol officer in the Bert Reynold's movie Hooper?
Question 5: Steve McQueen?
Question 6: Bud Ekins? A good friend of McQueens. He got McQueen more involved in serious motorcycle racing. If you check the credits for a whole bunch of movies you'll see him listed as a "stunt guy" (most notably, of course, "The Great Escape") You may also see Lane Leavitt and maybe Debbie Evans, observed trials riders who later did a lot of stunt work. If its an old movie, by the way, look for J.N. Roberts!
#4 The Barn on the Farm?
#6 Dave Mungenast in Hooper?
Ron Carbaugh
Q#3 - Gary is right - It is Marcia McDonald. I found out yesterday that Marcia will be at the ISDTRR. She will be flying into Dalton on Sunday --- returning back to the U.S. after ascending Mt. Everest up to one of the established base camps at approx 18,000 ft or more. Apparently her big interest now is mountain climbing.
Q# 5 -- I remember seeing Steve McQueen and his wife, Ali McGraw at the ISDT in Dalton.
#4 The chicken coop?
Gary
#7 What was Dane Leimbach's number?
#8 What was Doug Wilford's number?
#9 What was the person's name that sold Cycle News and as bonus what state was he from? There is going to be one person that will probably even tell what town he was from.
Ron Carbaugh
How can I register a protest if there are no rules?????
AMA says in its Hall Of Fame Museum:
Jeff Fredette (2002 inductee) - "Mr. ISDT/ISDE" multi gold medal winner, national Enduro winner and motorcycle performance product developer.
AND
Al Eames (1999 inductee) - Organized 1973 International Six Day Trial in USA
Of course -- I would have to give that POG pervails. If you say the Al is "Mr. ISTD" then so be it....
#4 Yep, the bikes were stored in the top of the barn, actually it is the Penton Farm Market, but it is a barn. They put the crates on a bale elevator and up they went.
#5 Steve McQueen
#6 Dave Mungenast
Lynn I thought the same thing, but I think Paul has been hanging around with too many Texans and has developed his own rules which means there are only his rules. We are having fun.
Ron Carbaugh
What year did the US team win the Watling Trophy? Bonus- what is the Watling Trophy and its' award meaning?
Watling Trophy was won by the USA in 1972?
Ron Carbaugh
#10: Looks like Ron is correct about the U.S. Team winning the Watling Trophy in 1972, but they also won in 2001.
Doug .... I found that the trophy has been presented since 1963 by ISDE international jury "to the country that puts forth the best effort under adverse conditions, showing the true olympic spirit of the event" but I have no clue as to what or who Watling is.
Here's #11:
In the 1973 ISDT event, how many of the 300 riders entered from around the world were riding Pentons?
Doug I believe that Lynn is correct on the year and the effort. But isn't the trophy normally awarded to a Vase Or Trophy team that shows the greatest improvement?
Ron Carbaugh
1st ISDE was 1981 Elba Italy.
Cher'o,
Dwight
Dwight Rudder
7 time ISDT / E medalist
7 time National Enduro Class Champion.
#9 Not really sure who sold Cycle News, but Chuck and Sharon Clayton purchased a Southern California company called Motorcycle Journal. They later changed the name to Cycle News. They later purchased (for no money) State Motorcycle News from John Penton and called it Cycle News East!
Donny Smith
Great job Donny, but where was the first location(town/city) of Cycle News East? Ed Youngblood could answer this question. Hint check out his web site.
Ron Carbaugh
Ron,
It was in Amherst on Church Street!
Donny Smith
OK OK I know when I'm messing with the Master. How do you expect me to earn expert status if I don't try? Signed GrassHopper
Ron Carbaugh
Ron, You have that backwords! You are the master and I am grasshopper! Learning fast!
Donny Smith
Chuck was using a $1,000.00 desk in his upstairs office!
Donny Smith
Donny - Seems like I heard about that desk from Sharon.
Ron Carbaugh
Question #9 The gentleman selling Cycle News was from Mississippi and made the trip to the 1973 Six Day. He was at most MX Nationals East of the Mississippi River. I really thought this would be easy.
Ron Carbaugh
I don't think anyone answered these...
#7 What was Dane Leimbach's number? -- 20
#8 What was Doug Wilford's number? -- 67
and I will throw in Paul Danik -- 81 for bonus points.....
I
Great job Lynn. Dane's number was 20. Doug's number isn't correct. I don't really want to give it away, but when someone does figures it out it would have been the number I would have thought would have been very best number to have. Thanks Lynn
Ron Carbaugh
answer to #8--Doug # was 73. I remember it from last month cover photo, and recall it was the 1973 event. 3putt
wnm
Man I can't wait to get to Pittsfield. When all these guys get together the stories are gonna be flyin . Paul you sure know how to things heated up!!
3put is correct. I thought having the #73 in 1973 was neat.
What brand of bike did Ron Lamastus ride in 1973?
Ron Carbaugh
Ron
He rode a rokon!
Donny Smith
Slightly off-topic, but good trivia and very relevant re: 73 ISDT and upcoming reunion ride:
Question 12: In Dalton, Massachusetts, there's a product produced for the US government. It's the only place in the world that makes this product. Name the product and the company that makes it. Hint: it's also connected to Al Eames.
John Leone
Ron: Interesting thing -- I got the information regarding Doug's number from the //www.isdt.org website as follows:
at: http://rokonron.50megs.com/isdt/1973.html
"125cc class: 71 total riders
17th Joe Barker(34) Penton Gold
20th Stellan Tingstrom (75) Monark Gold
21st Doug Wilford (67) Penton Gold
23rd Paul Danik (81) Penton Gold
30th Tom Penton(57) Penton Silver
54th Jim Hollander (98) Penton Retired
57th Les Grable(107) Dalesman Retired"
Does someone need to let them know the correct number?
JohnMO- Great question and the only reason I know the answer is that someone just told me before you put the question on the board. So I won't answer it and let some one else have the fun. Lynn on Doug's number I would let the Godfather(Doug) correct it unless he directs one of us to do the job. You know he is in that delegating managerial type thing - look what he did for USA at the 1973 ISDT. Thanks for the great site Lynn. And Yes Ron Lamastus was on a Rokon(with a Sachs engine). If you ever owned one of these you wouldn't want challenge Mr. Lamastus to a weight lifting contest. Thanks Donny for the correct answer - again.
Ron Carbaugh
One of the ISDT/E vets would have the most correct answer, but I think every year numbers were assigned to the riders. Depending on what class you were in, you could have a one or two digit number but in other classes you could have a three digit number. So unless the question was specific to one year, there could be many answers to the number question.
Donny Smith
I found a bunch of pictures from the 1971 Berkshire International Trial that I ran. I am going to bring them and I hope that people can identify the people in the pictures. I only recognise Rosemary and me!!!! I have the results from Saturday, but don't have it for Sunday. Does anyone have these results?
Teddy
Okay, #67 was my number in 73. The Watling Trophy is presented each year to the Trophy Team of the country that shows the most improvement in organization and management. 72 was the first year that an American team had won it. 2001 it was also won by the American team.
I stand corrected, Again! Doug what then was the year I have of you with the number 73?
Ron Carbaugh
# 14 Before 1974 their were two different father and son combinations that rode the ISDT from the USA. Who were they?
# 15 What USA rider earned a Gold in 1973 and rode with a seperated shoulder for most of the event?
Answer #15, Mr. Jake Fischer!!
#14 Would one answer be Dave and Ray Mungenast?
#15 What a a Ride for For Jake! He's one of the best ever in my book.
Ron Carbaugh
Jake Fischer is correct!!! He rode with a seperated shoulder and STILL earned a Gold. He will be riding the ISDTR with two of his sons.
# 14 Dave and Ray is not the answer.
# 16 Leroy Winters came up with the original USA helmet with the two close white stripes, refered to as the " Skunk " helmet. That information came from Mr. Penton awhile back.
Herb and Bill Uhl were one of the father/son teams in the ISDT.
Randy, Cody and Mandy Mastin were the first father/son/daughter team, but this was in the ISDE. Randy and Cody also rode as father/son but in ISDE. Cody wasn't born yet when the Six Days still had a "T" at the end of it!
Also, Al Eames was known as "Mr. ISDT" before Jeff Fredette started riding the Six Days...but Jeff sure has Ironman status with more Six Days under his belt than anyone else. I think Drew Smith is second with 20 to his credit. Brazil will be #23 for Freddie, won't it?
Jeff DeBell
O.K., so you don't know the answer. Here it is.
The Crane Company in Dalton, Massachusetts, is the only place in the world that produces the paper stock for all U.S. currency. Al Eames worked for Crane -- requested a leave of absence to work on ISDT 73 -- was refused -- he quit -- much later was rehired by Crane. (I believe that's a reasonable recounting of the story. See the ISDTRR program book for more Al Eames info, including details about this.)
John Leone
Quotequote:
Slightly off-topic, but good trivia and very relevant re: 73 ISDT and upcoming reunion ride:
Question 12: In Dalton, Massachusetts, there's a product produced for the US government. It's the only place in the world that makes this product. Name the product and the company that makes it. Hint: it's also connected to Al Eames.
John Leone
My 73 number must have been 1970 in Spain, nope just checked 1970 number was 82 ???? not sure on when 73 would have been, I would have to see the picture. #9 could have been Bob Link selling Cycle News.
Doug, Bob link would qualify as one of the Cycle News Salesmen, but I was hoping Dwight Rudder would come up with this other name being Dwight is from Mississippi. I saw Dwight this weekend at the National in Texas but we didn't get time to visit on the starting line. I will find the picture that I have of you with #73 and get to the bottom of this mystery. I do have a great picture of you on page 117 of the ISDT'73. More later.
Ron Carbaugh
Ron,
The 73 might have been on Doug's golf score, or maybe a birthday cake, just trying to help.
Paul
Thanks Paul for the HELP. Let's agree it on the golf score. Because everyone knows how you like to drag me into a fight and then leave. I will go to the corner for silent time.
Ron Carbaugh
NEWS FLASH - In 1973 Six Day the famous Rider that had #73 was none other Richard Clears from Great Britain riding a MCB SP. If any other numbers for 1973 are required I have my official cheat sheet(that has taken me three days to find). It was properly filed net to the Steve McQueen auction program???
Ron Carbaugh
Ron, If you have the official cheat sheet, then you should be able to answer question #11: "In the 1973 ISDT event, how many of the 300 riders entered from around the world were riding Pentons?" Those of you that have Youngblood's books should also be able to find the answer.
Forty five and thanks for keeping me on my toes and I actually did know the answer to #12. Thanks Lynn
Ron Carbaugh
Forty five and thanks for keeping me on my toes and I actually did know the answer to #12. Thanks Lynn
Ron Carbaugh