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Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Mike Lenz on March 21, 2004, 12:18:43 PM

If anyone wants to offer their Evil Bay names and their real names here it would help all of us not to bid against each other as much. Some even seem to have a third POG name! I cant keep up!! Other suggestions we could all live by? If you really really need the item bid away, it shouldnt bother anyone, it doesnt bother me. If you get it it says to me you needed it more than I did. The other is if you come here and offer to replacate the item, I for one will back off. Just make sure you intend to follow thru with your statment. What do you think?

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: James on March 21, 2004, 09:37:19 PM

Have not posted in a while. Wanted to reply to this one...
On E-bay user is Renessarenee. this is because my wife was using it long before she discovered the vintage mx parts for me. My name is James Sharp-so my user name here is James. I try to use this -though on Yahoo Maico board I am Maicojames(already was another James there).
If I am bidding on any KTM/Penton part that someone here needs-e-mail me I will let it go. I am still working on AW Maico (blasphemous to some I know) so these are the parts I really need.

I have paid a much higher than reasonable amount before to win an item I really needed...I guess I understand where you are coming from.
James

I have bike parts in the kitchen cabinets where most people have dishes..

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Post by: Kip Kern on March 22, 2004, 06:58:21 AM

Kip Kern, Retiredmajor2002, I kinda gave up on EVILBAY as things are getting out of hand on some items.

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: imported_n/a on March 22, 2004, 08:51:16 AM

gsyamaha94 is my evil code name.

If I see a Pogger's id that I recognize, I'll back off (unless it's a red MX tank). Like Bob said, then we need to talk.

I think in some respects we are our own worst enemies and bid stuff into the stratosphere because we don't know who we're bidding against. If we work together, we can keep prices down and still get what we really need.

Glenn

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Post by: Dwight Rudder on March 22, 2004, 11:22:03 AM

On our VINDURO.com forum site, we try and keep a Ebay ID list so we will try not to bid against each other. If a member has already marked his spot with a bid then any Vinduro members email him and see how bad he wants it and if he didn't mind stepping aside. If he does he posts that he gave permission for the brother to overbid him. If not then we try and respect his bidding and not to run up the price. Accidental bidding does happen but we try and not to . The POG group should do the same.

Cher'o,
Dwight

Dwight Rudder
7 time ISDT / E medalist
8 time National Enduro Class Champion.

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: imported_n/a on March 22, 2004, 01:03:59 PM

Dwight,

I think that's a fair and gentlemanly way to work together.

Is that something we can agree on to do here?

Glenn

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: firstturn on March 22, 2004, 04:53:17 PM

Well see, someone just put the pieces of a "D" engine on eBay. It is very hard to keep from hurting peoples feelings. I have several people that I do contact when I see them bid. Several have already responded to this subject. I feel we do a fair job already, but it is obviously a problem to some. I am responding only to hopefully be positive in respect to POG members.
The other side of the coin I have people who contact me for parts quite often and I sometime feel I offend them when I quote them a price??? I expain that I'm not listed as a supplier therefore I am not in the business. I have in fact probably sent no less that 4 to 5 parts to members in the last three weeks to help on various projects.
Just my thoughts. My eBay ID is carbaugh0 so I will get ready for the Tar and Feathers:).

Ron Carbaugh

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Mike Lenz on March 22, 2004, 05:45:02 PM

Ron, as I stated if you really need it...bid it, I do. If its something I would like to have for a spare and I see its another POG member, I usually will let it go, IF the Pogger is high bidder. Now Im also going to POG before I go to Ebay, that way even if I need the item badly and its mentioned here, such as the Pogger is willing to replacate the item I will still let go, again IF the Pogger is the current high bidder. If we do it that way it stays pretty simple, without alot of calling, ect needed??

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: vmx1963 on March 22, 2004, 06:49:29 PM

G'day lads, I reckon this is a bloody good idea and might help tame the EvilBay experience - especially when the red bidding haze comes over one's eyes! I'm still getting to know who's who in the Penton (*cough* KTM) community and, thanks to people like Don, have come to see how helpful & friendly you blokes are.

I usually take a look at the feedback on who I'm bidding against to see what they've been buying in the past. If there are Penton/KTM bits in there I'll feel better about letting them win the bid 'cos it means they're afflicted by the same disease.

(But I still hate the last second snipers who pip my bid by $2.50 while I'm snug in my bed at 3am Aussie time :( [}:)] :D)

Anyway, you blokes know who vmx1963 is so don't hesitate to contact me if you want to bid for something I've got dibs on. In turn I'll post a message in the Wanted/For Sale area letting you know if I'm bidding on something I'm really desperate for.

VMX1963
Western Australia
VMX KTM (http://members.iinet.net.au/~allantud/)

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Cappy on March 23, 2004, 12:27:33 AM

:D I concur with the idea. My Ebay experience is like everyone else who is trying to get specific parts to complete a restoration. It would be nice to know who has the most urgent need so we don't continue to push the bids. I have '73 and '74 Jackpiner, which I am trying to bring back to life, so Ebay and Al B. are my only real sources for parts. (PS...I'm also active duty military overseas, so the internet is the only recourse.)

1974 KTM 175 Jackpiner(restoring to good health...slowly)

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Dwight Rudder on March 23, 2004, 02:58:39 AM

My Ebay ID is :
lt.d.rudderrfc
That comes from me starting out on Ebay bidding on WWI aviation items , Especially Royal Flying Corps. I not only like Vintage bikes but Vintage aeroplanes too.
Cher'o,
Lt. Dwight Rudder, RFC
Nieuport 16b pilot
Great War Aeroplanes Asso.

Dwight Rudder
7 time ISDT / E medalist
8 time National Enduro Class Champion.

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: vmx1963 on March 23, 2004, 04:33:29 AM

Quotequote:Originally posted by Dwight Rudder

I not only like Vintage bikes but Vintage aeroplanes too.
Cher'o,
Lt. Dwight Rudder, RFC
Nieuport 16b pilot

Now we're talkin! Lucky for Dwight I could never afford the Spad I always wanted - had to settle for flying helos and rounding up cattle as the next best thing (back in my younger days).

VMX1963
Western Australia
VMX KTM (http://members.iinet.net.au/~allantud/)

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Rocket on March 23, 2004, 07:17:23 AM

My alias on Evil Bay is: Penton100
Rod Gorzny (Rocket)

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: firstturn on March 23, 2004, 07:26:40 AM

Mike, sorry for any misundertanding. I try at this time to be respectful to someone who is restoring a Penton. I guess my real problem with this entire subject is we as a group are forgetting that there are a other people that look at the Penton site on ebay.
To be blunt I have constantly been outbid by people from Italy. I don't loose any sleep over this situation, instead it makes me look that much harder for parts and bikes before they get to eBay.
One last thing is I pay people what they ask for parts off ebay if I need them for a project. I have bought items that others were only offering 25% of what I had to pay. I have bought three bikes to get parts off of one bike and so on. My point is that we are in a free market and demand determines the price period. The only exception that I know of was when Karl got his Red Tank[8D].
In closing (on the positive side-please), in visiting with a Penton person the other day this person thought I had purchased 100's of parts off ebay. In fact I have only bought 38 items total(check this fact out)on ebay.

Ron Carbaugh

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Post by: pketchum on March 23, 2004, 10:47:33 AM

Phil Ketchum = pketchum on eBay and on POG.

I'm relatively new to the Penton Owners Group. After first seeing Teddy Landers Penton's survive through the toughest conditions without complaint, or tinkering, I've become a fan. He's let me ride them in competition more than once when mechanical failures beset my beloved Hodaka's. (THANKS again Teddy)

I now own a '80 KTM 250 GS which I'm accumulating parts to restore, and working with Tom Brosius to have the MX side panels reproduced, thanks to my friend Larry Perkins (The Penton Man) and to Buddy Johnson (maicobuddy). Hopefully she will be ready for the ISDT Reunion Ride at the Zink Ranch this year.

Although I haven't seen much in the way of parts to fit my "Penton in disguise", I almost always Snipe. I feel that this tactic prevents me from getting into a bidding war with another eBayer and letting my emotions override my bank account. I determine my maximum I'm willing to pay beforehand and "set it and forget it". If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. Only once has this method accidently bested a friend who was interested in the same part. This only caused him to pay about $2.50 more than was necessary. Communication is the key.

However, if I recognize the high bidder's ID, I almost ALWAYS defer out of decency and respect. The other times I will email them to determine their need and discuss mine with them, always coming to an agreement.

Dwight's the one that I run into the most frequently since he's a Hodaka nut like myself. We're friends and share a common passion and respect for each other. On the Hodaka group on Yahoo, which I moderate, I attempted to convince the members that creating a database of eBay ID's would be in our best interest. However, the few who were against it caused enough dissention that I shelved the idea.

Sincerely,

Phast Phil
Moderator, Hodaka Owners Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hodaka

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: tmte123 on March 23, 2004, 11:26:57 AM

Mine is tmte3. I think it would be a good idea to have a master list. I know I can't remember everybody's ebay user name. Terry

Not a Penton owner, but soon to be one (fingers crossed) I have ridden one..Tomale's MC-5. Currently ride a '75 XL-250, '78 TT500

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Steve Minor on March 23, 2004, 03:23:17 PM

Anybody know an ebay bidder that goes by "oscarpilot"?
I need to talk to about a bid.

Thanks
Steve

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: pketchum on March 23, 2004, 05:38:04 PM

You should be able to reach him at [email protected]

Phil

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: tmc3c on March 23, 2004, 06:59:44 PM

There is no missing me, I am same there as I am here TMC3C

Thomas Carmichael

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Mick Milakovic on March 23, 2004, 07:13:21 PM

I'm very new to Ebay "vintagecs" with my first part on auction now and have never bought anything. I'm sure I'll learn a few lessons the hard way.......

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: crash carden on March 23, 2004, 09:51:16 PM

Hello all, my ebay bid name is cardencarden. Yes I agree with everyone on the bidding courtsey. If I see a bidder I know I back off as well. I think its a good idea to get a master list put together of all our bidding names so we can keep track of each other, and help keep the prices down.Once again the POG members have shown me how true gentelmen of the sport they are. Its great to be a part of this fine group of people. I have been a big fan of Penton motorcycles ever since I bought my first one in spring of 1973 a brand new Jackpiner, which I still own. I love those Pentons. My best to all of you! Crash Carden, Go Team Penton!

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: cardojr on March 23, 2004, 11:32:57 PM

not to be confused with crash carden--i'm cardojr here and on the 'bay. I agree -politeness pays!!
thanks,
rob card
ps. this is what i go after ...
68 berkshire - 72 berkshire - 74 tyran - 72 husky wr250 - 66 cotton - 72 dkw -and some misc eurotrash.

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Chakka on March 25, 2004, 07:43:56 PM

My ebay name is "Repstd" Over the years I've bought and sold a fair amount of Penton stuff on Ebay. I have to say Ron is a true gentleman and helped me a huge amount the last time I moved out some old 125 parts on Ebay, I am indebted to him. That said Mike's comments are something to consider. Aside from the few items that are remanufactured by people here we are dealing with a limited resource. While it isn't a problem now I have seen the rise in bid price and some items that I need are becoming truly difficult to win. Because of that I will offer items here before I post them on the auction site.

I race sailboats during the summer and when a person from our fleet wants to sell his boat we make every effort to insure it sells locally so we don't loose a boat to a different part of the country. That and involving young people early so they can share the same experiences and develop an interest is the only way to keep our fleet strong. The same apply here and I think this group is in a similar situation, if all our parts go overseas to Italy and I need a new top end...well you know the story.
Dwight – I have some WWI memorabilia I inherited, my great uncle was in the Lafayette Escadrille and flew SPADS. I have some cloth from his plane, some shell art and newspaper clippings. Unfortunately my grandfather threw out the best items years ago, His Indian Head emblems cut from the plane and a "propeller clock". I would kill to have those Indian heads now.

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Post by: OUCWBOY on March 25, 2004, 08:12:34 PM

Speaking of Ebay, look at the price of this CR 125 Husqvarna on Ebay, item # 2468811811

Donny Smith

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Mike Lenz on March 25, 2004, 11:02:37 PM

Ron, Im not sure what you meant by you hopeing there are no hard feelings? Not with me. You have been a huge help to me! Thanks

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Post by: Mike Lenz on March 25, 2004, 11:20:57 PM

Teddy Landers bikes /no tinkering HA, I dont believe it! Teddy cant help himself!!

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: Mike Lenz on March 25, 2004, 11:47:09 PM

Calling Glen! Im holding off bidding on the red mx tank, but I dont know how long I can take it! It has no bidders!!

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: firstturn on March 26, 2004, 02:26:53 AM

Mike,
I don't want to play word games but I said "hurt peoples feelings" not "hard feeling". I only meant that people get so passionate on their projects that when they miss something on ebay they somewhat feel betrayed.
Please, I just stated a position as you did. I respect you and I appreciate your response. One thing about the POG is respect will always be in my thoughts when I either state a position or question anothers position.
Mike, thanks for clearing up a comment that I feel may have been misunderstood. I will work on sentence structure later tonight[:o)]. Do I get listed as a co-sponser on your 100 project?

Ron Carbaugh

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: imported_n/a on March 26, 2004, 02:45:06 PM

Mike, Ron,

I had to catch a 7:00am train to the City this morning and didn't check e-bay first.

I appreciate you holding off. I have staked my initial claim and would invite dialogue about this tank. I asked the seller if it has ever been repaired. And the rivets are kind of off-putting. I have a blue-that's-been-painted red mx tank that's a leaker and am looking for one that will hold gas. I plan to race my 250, so this just needs a coat of paint and a set of stickers; but it has to hold gas!

Any commentary we can have publicly or privately.

Glenn

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Post by: john durrill on March 27, 2004, 12:31:26 AM

Rocket,
We saw you were bidding on the swing arm bushes on EBay.
I just talked to David and found out he still is haveing trouble with the first vendor supplying good replacement bushes. He is looking at a Company that does BMW bushes to see what can be done. I have one set that are the new run. If you like you are welcome to them . I dont need them now and the new ones will be in before i have to have a set.
John D.

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Post by: vmx1963 on March 27, 2004, 05:28:06 AM

G'day again,

I've made up a table compiling the info from this thread. I was just going to do this for my own convenience but thought it may be useful for others.

The table only has people who have volunteered their evilBay names in this particular thread (apologies if I've missed anyone - and yell out if you want your user name added to or deleted from the table). All POG profiles link back to this forum so there are no details (like email addresses) that could be harvested by sneaky web engines.

Chuck the link on your desktop and whenever you see an eBay user trying to bid on your Precious Penton Part check out if they're one of the guys on the list.

I would have just done this table inside a forum post but couldn't get the HTML to work properly.

Click here to view table - put the link in your favorites for convenience (http://www.vmxktm.net/docs/List.htm)

VMX1963
Western Australia
<a target="_blank" href="http://members.iinet.net.au/~allantud/"> VMX KTM</a>

Title: Lets get real?
Post by: cardojr on March 27, 2004, 07:02:10 AM

vmx-nice job.
thanks-rob

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Post by: Steve Minor on March 27, 2004, 07:48:24 AM

Great Job!!!!!!!

Please add me........Steve Minor bids as Sminor1972

Thanks for doing this for all of us!

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Post by: Randy Kirkbride on March 27, 2004, 08:12:15 AM

Me too. eyemanrandy

Thanks

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Post by: Rocket on March 27, 2004, 10:09:23 AM

John D,
If anybody really needs the swingarm bushings, go for it. I only bid on them thinking I may need them in the future. I think my max bid is only $12.25. Anybody needs them go for it.
Rocket

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Post by: tmte123 on March 27, 2004, 10:36:46 AM

G'day VMX, Nice job, just what I was thinking. Terry

Not a Penton owner, but soon to be one (fingers crossed) I have ridden one..Tomale's MC-5. Currently ride a '75 XL-250, '78 TT500

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Post by: Dennis D on March 27, 2004, 11:28:14 AM

Please add my ebay info. dpd49 Thanks, Dennis D

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Post by: OUCWBOY on March 27, 2004, 02:57:21 PM

Great JOB!
You could add me too, if you'd like.
oucwboy= POG Pentonok= E Bay

Thanks

Donny Smith

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Post by: Mike Lenz on March 27, 2004, 10:06:20 PM

You bet Ron, and good luck Glenn!