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General Discussion => Penton Talk => Topic started by: STEVEN PAYNE on May 18, 2004, 01:37:39 PM

Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: STEVEN PAYNE on May 18, 2004, 01:37:39 PM
In the Vintage Auto and Antique furniture world, it is becoming the trend to leave them in their original condition. Does anyone see this happening with dirt bikes. How far should I go with the restoration of my  '73' Jackpiner.  Thanks for any input.
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: firstturn on May 18, 2004, 02:13:05 PM
Steven,
  I see unrestored bikes as a premium.  Just as I have seen things in the auto world of collecting go toward unrestored cars I've seen the same trend of survivior bikes being the most desired for the future.
  Just my take.  Oh and I have told many people not to refinish old furniture until it was apprased, and I have seen furniture ruined with fresh finishes.

Ron Carbaugh
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Doug Wilford on May 18, 2004, 06:44:49 PM
Ronper, Is quite right.   A clean, Barn Fresh, Original, unrestored Penton that runs is the Premium bike to have.   The decision on what to do really depends on what plans you have for the bike.   Will you put it in your living room for a show piece?   Will you use it to go riding with your friends every now and then?   Do you plan to use it for competition?   Each has an answer, but those are yours alone to answer.   Have fun and enjoy your project.
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Rain Man on May 19, 2004, 04:15:14 AM
barn fresh and running, but,  hoo boy,  dosen't welding the broken and bent pieces back to original shape wreack havock with that barn fresh look.
Raymond
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: tmc3c on May 19, 2004, 07:00:45 AM
Hi Steve, I am one of those who has done a complete resto on a 1976 250 GS and I am just in LOVE with Pentons and I plan on riding mine like it was meant to be ridden, but I really didn't have a choice with this baby because it was in"BARN SHAPE" and in this case it was glad to see a PENTON lover come by and save it! mine isn't about the dollar it is about the love of the bike! even though I would love to own a original flat tracker.............

Thomas Carmichael
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Rain Man on May 21, 2004, 08:25:15 PM
I have thought about this for a few days now and have come to the conclusion that, as Doug has stated, go riding and have fun. Thats the bottom line. I got 2 73 Jackpiners, both of them lived in a hew(sheep) barn for 20 years. I feel at this point, the most important thing is to get them back on line. A brand new motor that starts, runs and powers the bike 60mph down the trail is a big incentive to me. Now I got a running Penton with bent rims, leaking forks, crooked handle bars and a frame that looks like... a hew barn. But, I have the incentive, as time and money permits, to purchase the new fenders, respoke and replace those bent rims,and after goofing with it all day Saturday, the satisfaction to take it out and ride it on Sunday. Application and iniative will restore your bike, and also you'll be getting "in the wind" at the same time
rubber side down now
Raymond
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: OhioTed on May 27, 2004, 02:40:27 PM
I had a conversation with Al B. recently on this exact subject.  Al is strongly in favor of original bikes, rather than performing restorations.  I personally do not even have a complete Penton to be concerned with right now.  However, during a recent visit to my old stomping grounds down in SW Florida, I visited an buddy who runs a little bike shop - the same one I dealt with 30 years ago.  During a tour of his current facility, he showed me a Penton fuel tank that had been sittin' on a shelf for many years.  I expressed great interest in the tank, and low and behold, my old friend recently sent the thing to me.  I am thrilled to be in posession on the tank, which appears to be from a '72 or '73 125 Six Day.  Regardless of whether I eventually acquire a bike to slide under the tank, I intend to have a certain Mr. John Penton autograph it.  Big question is, should I try to paint the tank?  I have begun to rub it out, and it is in very good condition.  However, the fiberglass is a bit rough and the full color and gloss will not come back except, interestingly enough, where the strap was.  What do you think, guys????  It also has a little unpainted fiberglass repair right up around the filler neck.
Without the help of a professional, I could never hope to apply fresh paint to rival the original appearance, so I don't want to make matters worse by trying.  However, I am well aware of the hazards of
"over-restoring".  HELP!
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Rocket on May 27, 2004, 05:26:10 PM
Ted
I have had great results with Meguire's #1 cleaner, #2 polish and a wool pad on an air buffer.  Use the #1 and then go to #2.  Great results and it don't take too long.
Rocket
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: OhioTed on May 28, 2004, 08:46:20 AM
Hey, Rod - thank you very much for the specifics on what to use.  Coming from you, I know the results will be satisfactory.  Where are the Meguires products sold?  I think I may have seen them in auto parts stores.  Maybe you could help me out with another matter concering the tank as well:  how do I remove the "Six Day" decal residue?  The stickers themselves are long gone, but the adhesive that remains is rock hard, and really bonded to the tank.
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Rocket on May 28, 2004, 09:39:44 AM
Ted
I use several methods, heat gun to gently warm the hardened glue and a solvent on a rag.  3M makes a product that removes adhesive that I have used and I have good luck with a product called Wilbond.  3M product, automotive paint store, wilbond, household type paint store.  Maquire's can be bought at Walmart's or automotive stores.
Rod
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: OhioTed on May 28, 2004, 04:42:07 PM
Thanks muchly, Rod.  You're a professional.  The info is invaluable.
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: OhioTed on June 01, 2004, 01:54:09 PM
Rod,  No luck with the 3M sticker removal product.  Those things are like petrified.  The solvent does not faze them in the slightest.  I am going to have to resort to sanding the sticker glue off.  However, since I also used some of the Meguires product you suggested, I can see that the surface is not in as good a shape as I desire.  As a result, I would like to have the tank painted - by a professional.  Any certainties about the correct paint code to match color?
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: swamp fox on June 03, 2004, 11:30:42 AM
Ohio Ted,
I have just finished getting the stickers off a 72 Six Day tank using the hair dryer and some denatured alcohol. Being an avid boater also, I used 3m Marine Fiberglass Restorer & Wax. It did a pretty good job, as I will be using this as a rider and not a show piece. I had also seen a tank that fellow Pogger "Jerry" had painted by a gentleman in Washington State, which he will be taking to Mid-Ohio. I may have mine painted by him, if the rest of the bike starts to shine too much by the time I'm finished. Maybe I can get a picture from Jerry and post it for all to see.

PS - You can get the 3m products at Boaters World or Wal-Mart

Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on September 08, 2015, 11:14:51 PM
I'm resurrecting an old thread rather starting a new one.  Today I just bought a 73 DKW 125 that was listed on ebay. The owner is a true gentleman and I'm grateful that he sold the bike to me.  It will definitely have a vintage friendly home. Here's a local link: http://www.bike4sale.co/detail/oAoPmcLLPPVAcmoAFmuL/1973-DKW-125-Enduro-vintage-motorcycle-original-owner Original owner, titled, all service manuals, etc, etc...  

After it took 3.5 years to fully restore my 69 Maico 360, I vowed I would never undertake a full restoration again. However, I am firm believer in resurrecting these old steeds and making them mechanically sound and cosmetically presentable.  However, with this DKW, I'm torn about what I should do after I bring it home.  

Oh, I know I'll tear it down and go through everything, and will take the seat to my local upholstery shop and have a seat cover made (he uses the old ones as a template, and does a very nice job!), and do my military spit shine on it.  But like old saying goes, it's only original once.  

So my question to you gentlemen, if this were your bike, what would you do? Fully restore, partially restore, resurrect, or clean it up  and leave as is?

Thanks in advance.

John
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: thrownchain on September 08, 2015, 11:29:12 PM
What is your end use gonna be ? Ride, show ??
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Steve Minor on September 09, 2015, 06:22:33 AM
Just my 2 cents.....it can only be original once. I say clean it up and enjoy it for a while before you decide. Personally, I keep my bikes original unless they are complete basket cases and I have no other choice.

Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Dale Sonnenschein on September 09, 2015, 11:57:02 AM
I bought a 73 jackpiner from the original owner last fall. A manual and other papers including the original bill of sale. I wound up leaving it original and just going through it mechanically. It did need a seat cover. And now I ride it.

73 Jackpiner
73 Husky 360 WR/RT
76 Husky WR360
78 husky cr250
82 husky wr430
10 ktm 250xc
02 bmw r1150r
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on September 09, 2015, 02:42:07 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by thrownchain

What is your end use gonna be ? Ride, show ??

Definitely won't be a show bike or garage queen. It will be rider for sure.

Steve, I agree, and have deposited your 2 cents.

Dale, I'm pretty sure now that I'm probably going to do the same thing you did.

Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 18, 2016, 03:56:10 PM
Well, I am getting ready to start tearing down the 73 DKW Enduro 125 with the hope of having it completed by late Spring.  With the help of Al Buehner, Terry Everett, and Leo Keller, I think have just about everything I need to get going. Purchased some good reprint manuals, electrical diagrams for this bike on ebay.

Also, with Mr. Keller's help I was able to locate and purchase some new brake shoes in Germany today.  Though the front tire is the original Metzler, it's shot.  So, I'll be looking for some period correct NOS tires in the near future. Thankfully, the bike does run, but I will freshen up the motor, nonetheless. In the meantime, here are some pics I took earlier today of the bike to get me motivated.  Actually have the battery cover as well, but might end up removing the battery tray and not install the cover as well.  We'll see.

Stay tuned. So looking forward to removing all of that duct tape;):D I'll keep you posted
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Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Leo Keller on January 18, 2016, 04:27:17 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by JCHubbard

...  Actually have the battery cover as well, but might end up removing the battery tray and not install the cover as well.  We'll see.


The battery tray is bolted to the frame only. Here in GER you needed a battery for the horn and the flashers that needed DC. You will find the rectifyer in the headlight if it is still there.
The brake light will work with AC too.

I'm not sure if the footrests are original Hercules parts. The #72/73 bikes here in GER had different footrests.

But the bike looks nearly complete except the rear fender.

(http://zweiradunion-ig.bplaced.net/html/72_Enduro.jpg)


Leo Keller
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 18, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
Thank you for the picture Leo.  One thing that I CANNOT find are the apron decals.  I have searched high and low in both the US and Germany, all to no avail.  Even asked Al yesterday at the York Swapmeet if he might know anyone who reproduces or has reproduced them -- nope.  Leo, would you happen to know where I can find those rear apron DKW decals?
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Leo Keller on January 18, 2016, 05:46:22 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by JCHubbard

Thank you for the picture Leo.  One thing that I CANNOT find are the apron decals.  .... Leo, would you happen to know where I can find those rear apron DKW decals?

I don't think you would find them in GER because the DKW never was sold here. If I remember right, I have seen a reproduction in the www, but this is a long time ago, for sure more than 10 years.
The original was printed on a metal foil. I know that's not very helpful. Maybe Dwight Rudder has an idea?

Leo Keller
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 18, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Leo Keller

Quotequote:Originally posted by JCHubbard

Thank you for the picture Leo.  One thing that I CANNOT find are the apron decals.  .... Leo, would you happen to know where I can find those rear apron DKW decals?

I don't think you would find them in GER because the DKW never was sold here. If I remember right, I have seen a reproduction in the www, but this is a long time ago, for sure more than 10 years.
The original was printed on a metal foil. I know that's not very helpful. Maybe Dwight Rudder has an idea?

Leo Keller

Vielen Dank Leo.

In the meantime, if anyone knows where I could find these decals or may know someone who can reproduce them, I would greatly appreciate if you could share that information with me.

Regards,

John
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 18, 2016, 10:39:46 PM
The owner of this bike in this youtube video, looks like thet the owner might be a POG member (his tank was signed by Dick Mann, Speedy Clausen, Bouchard Lenz, Doug Wilford, and John Penton).  I was wondering after watching this video if anyone might know who it is?  Any help would be much appreciated.

And, I apologize for seeking advice about my DKW on here, but there are no other forums in the US that would have as much info as they do here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnGXr0Nzy-E

Thanks,

John
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: gooddirt on January 18, 2016, 10:46:01 PM
I will  have some made one of these days ;the set up is the main cost....
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: gooddirt on January 18, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
I will  have some made one of these days ;the set up is the main cost....
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Paul Danik on January 18, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
John,
 
   First off, I am sure no one minds your asking about DKW information on this forum, it is all very interesting and informative.

   I bought a small DKW inventory this spring from the widow of a dealer "back in the day", mostly for the Sachs engine inventory. I just went thru it again and have not found any of those decals, but they are listed in the parts book so possibly you can find them.

   I do think I have some items spread across my basement floor, as I did a very through search for those decals :), that possibly could help you, along with dealer sales brochures that might help you as well.

   Also, included in the buy was the dealers personal DKW Enduro that is absolutely pristine with very few miles on the clock, and it has a legal title allowing it to be road licensed. I will be glad to take photos for you if needed of any questionable areas. I do intend to sell off the DKW inventory as a whole, as well as the bike as I continue to consolidate my inventory of parts and motorcycles through the winter, so if you need pictures or a few seperate items you have a window of opportunity of about a month or so. Lots of factory to dealer paperwork as well as factory info included in with the stuff, a wealth of information on Hercules Distributing and Teddy Lapadakis as well.

If you need anything   [email protected]

Hope this helps and good luck.
Paul
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 19, 2016, 11:35:02 AM
Thank you gooddirt.  

Wow Paul. That's great. Thank you so for being so helpful -- very much appreciated.  I will send you a PM in the next couple of days.
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Leo Keller on January 19, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
What I can do is to check the VIN. I have copies of the hand written production lists of most of the DKW End/MC/Boondocker/Hornet models (VIN 417/427/428...)built for the US market (and the 6/7 speed Hercules models too, VIN 427/428/429/451/470/471/485...).

If you need the production date of a Herc/DKW, please contact me off list  [email protected]

...and yes, we tried to find out if there are similar lists existing for Penton/KTM, but Kalman Cseh told me last fall, that there are no such lists as he knows.


Leo Keller
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: linglewn on January 21, 2016, 12:36:05 PM
John,
I have an original sticker (not decal) that is in good enough condition to be reproduced by a graphics design company. They made two reproductions for me for $65 a few years back. If you want to go that route, I would be glad to loan you the original. The company that I used has moved and I'm not sure they would still offer the same service. Let me know if you would like to see photos of the reproductions. (linglewn at aol dot com)

John and/or Paul,
My DKW MX is complete and original except that I have not been able to find a stock silencer like the one on John's bike. Can either of you help?

Nelson Lingle
73 Jackpiner
74 Jackpiner
71 DKW 125
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: Leo Keller on January 22, 2016, 12:59:55 PM
I found DKW tank badge reproductions on eurodirt.com
[menue 6 / tank badges, scroll down and you will find different DKW, Sachs and Hercules badges.]
The reproductions seem to be from flexible plastic, the originals are made from embossed aluminium, hard to find...

Leo Keller
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 22, 2016, 01:40:16 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Leo Keller

What I can do is to check the VIN. I have copies of the hand written production lists of most of the DKW End/MC/Boondocker/Hornet models (VIN 417/427/428...)built for the US market (and the 6/7 speed Hercules models too, VIN 427/428/429/451/470/471/485...).

If you need the production date of a Herc/DKW, please contact me off list  [email protected]

...and yes, we tried to find out if there are similar lists existing for Penton/KTM, but Kalman Cseh told me last fall, that there are no such lists as he knows.


Leo Keller

Thank you Leo.
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 22, 2016, 01:44:54 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by linglewn

John,
I have an original sticker (not decal) that is in good enough condition to be reproduced by a graphics design company. They made two reproductions for me for $65 a few years back. If you want to go that route, I would be glad to loan you the original. The company that I used has moved and I'm not sure they would still offer the same service. Let me know if you would like to see photos of the reproductions. (linglewn at aol dot com)

John and/or Paul,
My DKW MX is complete and original except that I have not been able to find a stock silencer like the one on John's bike. Can either of you help?

Nelson Lingle
73 Jackpiner
74 Jackpiner
71 DKW 125

Thank you Nelson. I'll send you a PM soon.  As far as the silencer goes, I have know idea where to find one.  I'm sure they are pretty rare.  I like the picture on the homepage of Jeff & Jack silencer set up.  I think I just read somewhere that they used a period VW exhaust stinger as a silencer.  If I didn't have for this DKW, that's what I'd do too.  Maybe Paul might no where to find one.  I'll be in touch soon.  Thanks again.

John
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 22, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Leo Keller

I found DKW tank badge reproductions on eurodirt.com
[menue 6 / tank badges, scroll down and you will find different DKW, Sachs and Hercules badges.]
The reproductions seem to be from flexible plastic, the originals are made from embossed aluminium, hard to find...

Leo Keller

Hi Leo,

Tnanks for the info.  I recently purchased the tank badges from eurodirt.com as well.  I'm going to resurrect this bike with a little bit of the patina retained.  The goal is to make it a presentable, mechanically sound bike while trying to retain as much of the period correct and original items as possible.  Just purchased some period NOS front/rear Barum tires.  With this imminent snowstorm coming to the east coast, this will be the perfect weekend to get the bike torn down. Going to the basement to get started in the next hour or two.  Fingers crossed!:)
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on January 23, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Well, I was joking with a friend a few weeks ago, that I'm probably going to need a heat gun and razor blades to remove the duct tape that's probably been on this bike for 40 years...Turns out it wasn't a joke.  Good gracious, I've never seen a bike covered with this much duct tape. It took 2-3 hours just to remove the tape! It was like going on on an archeological dig.  And believe it or not, I actually uncovered something on this bike that was pretty exciting and with the wiring intact.   Take a look:
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Eureka there's a horn under thar!!!:D
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Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on October 27, 2017, 10:58:08 AM
Finally got around to working on the resurrection of this 73 DKW 125 Enduro. Motor is done -- thanks Gary.  Only big items needed is the seat needs to be reupholstered and I have to buy a new rear steel fender.  Other than these items, I have everything needed to finish it (Thanks Al B., Terry E., Paul D., Andre H., and Leo K.) It certainly won't be a garage queen, but at least it'll be clean, re-titled & tagged, completely functional & mechanically sound.

Before 2016
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/26191532289_c8909be2ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FUss3V)HPIM1496 (https://flic.kr/p/FUss3V) by john hubbard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156014383@N04/), on Flickr

Progress -- 2017
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4478/24115921718_6583df7026_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CK3pkL)DKWprogress (https://flic.kr/p/CK3pkL) by john hubbard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156014383@N04/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/37914391016_f112b8d5cc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZLnawQ)KIMG0113 (https://flic.kr/p/ZLnawQ) by john hubbard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156014383@N04/), on Flickr
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: skiracer on October 29, 2017, 06:59:28 AM
That is going to be a nice ride!  Have fun with it...

1976 MC 5 Original Owner
1976 Penton 175 XC
1985 20' Hi Point trailer
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on October 29, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Thank you. Installed the motor yesterday and am looking forward to seeing how it all turns out myself.
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on November 25, 2020, 06:15:30 PM
Well, I finally got motivated to start finishing this little project up.  Been quite a little journey.  Big thanks though to Gary Ellis for the motor rebuild and the HPI ignition/stator set up, and to Paul Danik for providing with some great NOS DKW parts.  Had to reach to some parts vendors in Germany as well - big thanks to them too. Not having lots experience with Sachs 125 motors, had to do alot of research on this site, and so I want to thank and express my gratitude for the POG site as well.

Will spare you all the details, suffice it to say though after gutting the old and decrepit wire harness and fabricating a new one (including front/rr brake switches/headlight switch, and wiring for a rechargeable nimh battery operated horn), installing a new ignition,  and finally locating a good used OEM bing 1/27/19 carb -- it was a thing of beauty to hear that motor light up on the second kick, and then settle into a nice idle this past Sunday. And,it was like watching a Christmas tree light up when all the lights came on.

Only have 4 items I need to finish to wrap this project up: reupholster the seat, have the old front 47 year old front suspension swingarm bearings pressed out and the new ones install (at the local shop now), find & install a vdo holder/cable, and get the bike re-titled in my name.

Look forward to test riding it in the near future.  

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JC Hubbard
2017 Beta 300RR
1996 Kawasaki KDX 200
1983 Husqvarna WR 430
1982 Husqvarna WR 430
1979 Maico 400 GS
1978 Maico 400 GS
1978 Bultaco Frontera 370
1979 KTM 400 GS80
1978 KTM 400 MC5/GS
1977 Penton 250 GS6
1974 Rokon RT340
73 DKW 125 Enduro
1971 Maico 400 GS
1968 Maico 360 MC
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on November 25, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
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Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on December 10, 2020, 12:40:47 AM
Got my front end swingarm bearings installed, and installed the swingarm this past weekend. Today I did a mock up with the old seat before I drop it off to get it reupholstered next week.  Nonethless, the little DKW that took me nearly 5 years to resurrect is almost done.  Found a VDO mount, ordered a VDO cable and few other items from Al B. (thank you for your previous help too. Also recently reached out to Leo Keller to thank him again for assistance and guidance. Going to take it on its first little test ride around the neighborhood this weekend. Whew - glad it's almost done!:) Thanks.
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Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on August 05, 2021, 06:33:49 PM
Finally got the reupholstered seat installed and few other small items.  Except for the installation of the speedo/cable and adding a tag, it's pretty much done.  Hope to get a chance this summer or fall to break it in and have a little fun.  Again, thanks for all those who helped.

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Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: ALB on August 06, 2021, 11:32:06 AM
That is a very nice restoration.;) You are going to enjoy riding that bike around your neighborhood. It will attract a lot of attention because it looks so different from all the modern bikes that dominate the street scene today. Especially that Earls front end. [:0]

Thank you for following up with the photos during the past 5 years with your progress on the restoration.

Alan Buehner
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: skiracer on August 06, 2021, 12:42:28 PM
Wow!  Nicely done.  Yes, thanks for all the photos showing the progress on the bike.  Have fun with it!

1976 250 MC5 Original Owner
1976 Penton 175 XC
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on August 06, 2021, 04:07:36 PM
Without the collective knowledge, support, encouragement, and guidance that I received from so many great POG members here, this resurrection would've been impossible for me to attempt doing.

The POG community and its members are an outstanding resource and wealth of information.  Honestly, couldn't have done it without y'all.

Thank you Al & Jim.
Best,
John
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: LeeBuff on August 06, 2021, 04:42:00 PM
John,
Now that's a nice restoration! Most people don't realize the time, work and money that go's into restoring one of these. Thanks for showing us photos of your progress step by step. You can be proud of this one. [8D]

Lee
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: marsattacks on August 06, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
That is flipping awesome!   Great job.  JC FTW!

Mars Attacks!
68 Planetary/Lunar Lander (very sadly, sold with Gamma death-ray to the Italians)
78 400 MC5 also sadly sold
79 space rock shox bike



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Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on August 07, 2021, 04:26:51 PM
Thank you Lee & John.  

Best regards,
John
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: slvrbrdfxr on August 07, 2021, 05:29:21 PM
Looks great JC ! I brought my dads's 71 DKW enduro back to OK with me after VMD last month. I'm currently in the process of installing the 72 model wheel hubs on his bike which use the 6203 ball bearings instead of the old style cup and cone style wheel bearings. Been wanting to do this modification for several years and finally have all the needed parts in hand to accomplish that. The old cup and cone bearings for the early DKW and Sachs bikes are non existent these days and so time for an upgrade.
Dave McCullough
Title: To Restore or not to Restore.
Post by: JCHubbard on August 07, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Thanks Dave.

Good to hear you're resurrecting your Dad's DKW. Very interesting and great upgrade with the wheel hubs.  Definitely tough to find some parts for these bikes.  

There certainly were a few parts that were kind of difficult to find. Perhaps the toughest items for me to find were the front suspension swingarm bearings, and believe it or not -- brake shoes.  

Thank God for Leo Keller - he was able to direct me to some DKW/Herc/Sachs sources in Germany.  Though I'll probably never need it, I bought an extra set of front swingarm bearings and brake shoes.

Look forward to seeing your 71 DKW when it's done too.