Hi All,
I'd like to know what is the MUST have rare KTM/Penton that is still possible to acquire. I have a contact who's a huge rare dirtbike collector/restorer, so $$$ is no object.
Simply put, what important bike would you want in your collection?
Thanks, EJ
OLD S'CooL Restorations:)
Hi EJ, welcome to the Penton Owners Group.
I'd like one of each model:)
Raymond
Down East Pentons
Money is no object !!! Well lets see....Ron ,I bet you can see this one coming a mile away!! A Kenny Robetrs/ Penton original Flat Tracker!
Thomas Carmichael
It is actually about a toss up for first in this catagory if you go by production numbers. These are off the top of my head but fairly accurate.
Both the Kenny Roberts designed Flat Track KTM/Penton and the later model Anniversary 125 KTM with green plastic that celibrated the old Six Days bike were I think in the less than 75 produced catagory.(Don't have either but have seen both)
Next would be the 76-77 KTM/Penton MC5 125 with less than 200 in the states.(Got one)
Next would be the later model Anniversary 200 KTM with blue plastic that celibrated the old Jackpiner with less than 400 produced.(Don't have one but have seen several)
I think these are the top runners but would be curious to hear others thoughts and Rob probably has info that will give more exact numbers.
Larry P
Hi EJ
The local KTM dealer has, in his board room, a BRAND NEW 1976 250 GS6.
Never run, superb.
He wants silly money for it
David
Regards
David
'75 KTM GS175
'75 KTM GS250
'75 KTM GS400
In my eyes, one of the first 10 production steeltankers would be the most desirable, of course the original protomodel would be my 1st. choice, but totally unobtainable. Thoses first 10 were airshipped in and had some items on them that no others had. Who knows, if thoses bikes had been a total flop maybe there would have been no others and no KTM today! Just my 2 cents!
Paul
Good call, Paul. I agree and those should go to top of the list of rare. What were some of the goodies? I know they had chrome exhaust and alloy rims but what else?
Larry P
David
There are not a lot of NOS Penton or KTM bikes around so that would be very rare in a different way. Rare and silly money seem to go together but when something is very rare what is it worth? Probably as much as you ask because someone will buy it. Out of curiosity how much is silly money in the case you mention?
Larry P
Larry, I had no idea that there were only 75? MC5 125's I knew that they were abit rare but not that rare. In 82' there was one sitting in a carport around the corner from me. I was in college and had at the time was only flirting with the idea of riding again, No money and other things were more important to me... like a new baby in the house and having to work full time while I went to school full time. I had thought to go up and introduce myself but I never did and I never found out what happened to the bike. It looked to me that it was just collecting dust and the owner had given up riding as I had. Talk about the one that got away. but then how could I have known.
Did the 125's that year share the same frame as the 250's? I know that some of the other European 125's did but was unsure of the 125 MC5's The early Husky's and Maico's did but I think by 76 they had come out with their own frames for the little bikes. Maico I think never did make a tidler that was competitive. There are a couple of guys that have husky 125's that race them but not too many mostly I see Elsinore's. Lots of them but they had transmission troubles. This summer I saw a very trick Wombat with a 38 mm carb and a pipe that looked like it went to a 400 very fast too. I had trouble passing him on a up hill straight. Mixed class ya know.
Thom Green,Still crazy after all these years!
76' 250 MC5 (orginal owner)
78' 400 MC5
Larry,
Besides the chrome pipe, they had a longer version of the old style airbox. It has been said that those airboxes came from the "Hansa" which was a KTM produced street bike. On the cover of the very first "Still Keeping Track" the bike pictured has that longer airbox, it is actually contoured around the swingarm mount, the later ones were cut off several inches shorter. Those first 10 bikes did not have fork stops and I am sure that later they had matching dented gas tanks.:D They also had steering dampeners, like the old Triumphs and BSA's.
I am sure that others will chime in with more differences. Great topic. I gotta get moving to make the POG meeting tonight.
Paul
Thom
On the MC5 it was less than 200 and I think it was around 150. Thanks for the cool info Paul. Have fun away from Mars.
Larry P
$15000, Larry
Regards
David
'75 KTM GS175
'75 KTM GS250
'75 KTM GS400
YOWIE KAZOWIE! My Grandpa would have said 'he's saying it's not quite for sale yet'.
Larry P
I thought that I remembered when the "LE's" were first made, that there were 10 125's and 200 200's, so I decided to ask Rod Buch, KTM's head dog, to see what he knew. According to Rod, he thought that there were only 5 of the 125's made, but he did confirm the 200 number of 200's. Only 178 of the 200's made it to the US, the rest were sold, mostly, within KTM's walls. Rod has said, that he has never seen a 125 LE in Europe, so I might tend to believe that there were only 5. One of the five (ten?) is now located in KTM's facility here on Ohio, and it has never been started.
Dane
Paul, The subject at hand here is rare and to me that means few and far between. I own a Anniversary LE 1997 Jackpiner 200 with a certificate of authenticity that states mine is "model production number 5 of 133" that is signed by Rodney D. Bush and John Penton. If we are to go by the information you just submitted with regards to Rod Bush then my bike isn't as rare as I thought it was and my certificate is no good. The figures that are being qouted here need to be accurate because a lot of people come here to get the most accurate information possible. When information is inaccurate the people giving it lose their creditibility. Those of us who do own these bikes don't want people thinking that there are 400(Larry) or 200(Paul) or worst case "nobody knows for sure" when they see one of these beautiful bikes I would rather they knew that they are looking at 1 of 133 produced. I'm not out to upset anyone, I'm just trying to help further the POG goals one of which is "If the Penton motorcycle is to achieve true classic status among the other great legendary brands, enthusiasm for ownership and understanding of the Penton legacy must continue beyond the lives of the founders and current members of the Penton Owners Group". This qoute can be found under Penton future projects. Hope this information helps anyone or everyone. Dave Duval
I sold a 1977 Penton 100, Sachs motor, to Bildough in Oregon and I would say that is a very rare Penton/KTM motorcyle. Nobody seems to know much about the 100 in 77 and the person I bought it from remembers 2 coming through the dealership he worked at in the 70's.
Rocket
GEEZ! I said my figures were off the top of my head and said that someone with actual statistics could get the number exactly right. This is a discuccion group not an encyclopedia so ease up. I think for off the top of my head which has been knocked unconcious a half dozen times or so in 35 years on these bikes(once for a week) I wasn't far off. If you have learned or listened to anything here it is that there are different accounts to most everything.
If you have a certificate that Rod signed saying 133 you have the best proof of that statistic so it sounds like the number on the Anniversary 200 is 133. 200 or 133 it is a rare bike and you should be proud to own it just don't get all bent, Please.
Larry P
Larry,I am not upset, and as I have already stated I'm not out to upset anyone. I was just trying to help, any or everyone.You seem to be a bitter person, I don't know you or your circumstance but I was not trying to upset you. In the future I will not participate in any discussions you are involved in, unless it is a compelling subject that I feel I must responed to, such as this one. Did you notice that I didn't emphasise any words? As I stated earlier, I am not upset nor am trying to upset anyone. I just feel that any figures given should be as accurate as possible. I thought that this is an open forum where EVERYONE CAN GIVE THIER OPINION or am I wrong? If I am I'm sure you'll let me know.David Duval
David
There are things I have talked about on the POG that I have been bitter about and I think for good reason. This is not one of them.
I will be real honest with you, though. I responded with an attitude that you were being anal and I think you were. No one quoted any number with the idea that it was the exact statistical number and you took exception to that which in my opinion was silly. To say that if someone says a number that is from memory and not exact that they are then not credible is erroneous. The people that answered in this discussion are very credible people and several of them carry in their heads more info about the Penton Marque than will ever be discussed here. That is because they were there and lived it so please don't trivialize it.
If you choose to not respond in a discussion that I participate in that is your perogative but also your loss and if you have info on the subject such as you did here it is the loss of everyone. I will continue to tell it like I see it as that is my nature. I am always big enough to admit I am wrong also. I just don't think that is the case here. I just think I told you in a round about way you were being nit-picky and offended that we did not get the exact number of your collectible bike. Be glad we even remembered that they were made because it was not that many years ago that all of these bikes were forgotten and not collectible. Thanks once again for providing the EXACT number of Anniversary 200 KTMs produced and released in the U.S. Perhaps others will come up with exact numbers so we can stand corrected and be precise. Have a Great Day!:D
Larry, Seek first to understand and then to be understood. Dave
here's a SUPER rare one i'd want- the 250 OBSERVED TRIALS bike! i think it was 77 or 78.:D
JP
1980-1981 all sizes
JP, that was I think a prototype and indeed most rare if existant still.
David
Ditto! By the way, What is the meaning of Life Swami?
Larry P
Easy boys, I am sure that everyone wants to be accurate as they can and to assume that we are just throwing out numbers for the sake of saying something is nor fair. The fact is that we are talking about a motorcycle that only saw production for a few short years. As we have seen before, records have been misplaced or heavens even thrown out and our memories fail us. The point is not how many or even which ones are certified but that in fact they are rare, for more reasons than just how many of them were made. We need to be very careful not to point fingers. We are here because we love these bikes. Let us not trample on that or each other. If there is a problem then the best way to handle it is to ask questions so that we will all understand. Leave the compitition for the track.
Thom Green,Still crazy after all these years!
76' 250 MC5 (orginal owner)
78' 400 MC5
Lets get back to the original post. If money was not an object I would seek out one of the works 250cc Guennady Moiseev world motocross championship bikes. I've heard that the one featured in the 2003 Ktm calander is a replica and not the real bike that was ridden by Moiseev in 1977/1978. In any case any world championship bike would be very desirable. G man.
Didn't Mr. Penton have to smuggle a few of the first bikes into the country before thing were set up, making them his bikes AND the first? What would you give for a peice of history?
Thanks Thom! I try not to throw rocks unless I think one is thrown. I will try harder to just not throw.
I think, and this is from memory not from a book, that the works bikes were destroyed. Also if I remember right Mosiev won the Worlds in 74 and someone else maybe Kingardner won in 77. Spelling may not be right on either. None of this is really relevant to the rareity of a true works bike which would definitely be Very collectible.
Larry P
Larry, Your partly right. Moiseev did win three times including 1974/77/78. Kingardner won the 250cc title in 1984/85. I'm not sure what they did with the bikes, but I've heard there is a guy in Europe that has hundreds of bikes. Many of which are works machines that won titles in FIM motocross races through out Europe. What was the thinking behind destroying the bikes? You would think that they would want to preserve them as a piece of history? Thanks, G man.
Gavin,
I cannot speak from experience about what KTM did with their works bikes (no, that isn't a double plural). I can speak from experience from one of the big four on what happen to many bikes. Some were destoyed plain and simple. Some where proto types that were in the country on a showbike customs acknowledgement. These bikes had to be accounted for if the were destoyed or sent back to Japan. There were some works bikes that were given to the riders or their mechanic disassembled it and took it home.
The stories go on and on, but remember that some of the bikes were valued at $100,000 and so when they were destoyed (maybe[:0]) the company wrote this off as a deduction. I can tell you of bikes dropped of in different areas between the track and back to the Team Headquarters. All great bench racing material. Hope this helps with the never ending quest to what happened to those bikes.[8D]
Ron Carbaugh
FEI: When KTM "went under" in the early '90's, Arnaldo Farioli, the Italian KTM distributor, "bought" most, if not all, of KTM's museum. In the past couple of years, KTM bought out the Italian distribution, and part of that purchase, included these museum pieces. I have no idea of which machines were included in these deals, but for one machine that holds my interest: the prototype of the 125 Penton Six Day.
I'm going to do some snooping to see if I can learn what machines were included in these deals, so I'll let everyone know what I find out.
alandspeed: If JP did any smuggling, it didn't have to do with the first Pentons, at least not intentionally. I'm sure that over the years, there were some things that could have been "smuggled" in, but I doubt that the motorcycles were a part of that.
Dane
Dane I have a friend or two in Rome who are pretty thick into KTM/Penton, both bikes and parts. If I can relay info to them to further help your search (leg work), please let me know. I just got a repro centerstand from Camarino for the late 70-early 80 KTM's and my friend indicates that there are several more items for Pentons available. Some of the parts Karl reproduced for us came from my "Italian Connection." I also talked to Al today and he indicated that parts requests are coming in from Italy. Please keep us posted on your findings and "thanks" in advance! [8D]
Wasn't JP a husky distributor when the first Pentons (and even into the 70's) came out. I am just going by a conversation at the Blue Ribbon Breakfast two years ago in Indy we had with him. He knew they wouldn't like the idea. I do not know the history like alot of the POG members. I met John and have been getting pulled in ever since. Thanks for a place to study.[8)]
Just my two cents on the original topic... In my mind the bike that is most rare, unobtainable, and can't be duplicated is the early '73 Jackpiner that I bought as a kid and still have :)
Bill
Bill,
Well stated. I am still hunting for my favorite bike of all time, a 1973 Berkshire with a number plate 8c on it. Unfortunitely it had so many exotic changes to the engine, frame etc. it probably stopped running at some point and couldn't be repaired to run correctly, by the shop manual, and got discarded. Sorry just dreaming[:p].
Ron Carbaugh
I got some preliminary information back from my "big brother Franz" at KTM today, and the news is both good and bad. The bad news is that apparently, many of the machines that went to Italy after KTM's bankruptcy, didn't make the return trip when KTM bought out the Italian distributor. The good news is, that the managing director of the distributorship, probably knows more about the operations and life of KTM, than any other living Austrian. Yes, I said Austrian, because he is from Mattighofen, where KTM is located. He has relatives that are from Northern Italy, and consequently, he speaks fluent Italian. He is also a good friend of Arnaldo Farioli and his sons, who were involved in the "purchase" of KTM's museum. More when I know about it.
Dane
Hello,:D one of my favorite Penton models is the 1973 250 Harescrambler with the black motor and yellow gold gas tank and side panels,in enduro trim,with the long fish tail stove pipe exhaust. Anyone know how maney of this style were produced? According to the production code Penton only made that color tank and the black full sidecase motor from its June 73 introduction to the fall model change. So I am guessing this style of 1973 Harescrmbler should be a rare peice? No wonder I like mine so well;)Crash Carden- Go Team Penton!
Could anyone with a better memory than I, provide reference to the
Hiro(sp)-engined Penton(s)? At Penton Day '04, I saw photos of the bike and had not a clue. It may have been Kip Kern that day who provided me some info on the bike, but I cannot get my tired brain to now bring forth additional details. Are these bikes rare? Maybe there's just the one? Surely you fellows could expound upon this one. TED
Ted,
You can just click on this link.
http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4503&SearchTerms=hiro
All you have to do in the future is to follow the instuctions on search information box that is just under wanted/for sale. Simple instructions is just to click on search(upper right hand corner). Type in what you want to see and presto.
Ron Carbaugh
Thanks, Ron. Danged if it didn't acually work! Not much in there about what a Hiro is, though, or how rare. TED
Ted,
I believe that there were less than 20 of the 125 Hiro Pentons made, and they were made here in Ohio. We actually took the standard 125 with the Sachs engine, removed them and adapted the frames and pipes to the Hiro engines. The model that was at VMD, is the first one I've seen since they were made, and is an excellent example of what they were.
The impetus for the project, was to try and get KTM off their rear ends, and build their own 125. It worked, sort of, because KTM did make a 125 version of their engine, but unfortunately, it was way too heavy, having been based on the 175 bottom end, which in turn was based on the 250 engine. You couldn't break it, but the extra weight, did nothing to make it competitive in motocross.
Dane
Cool beans! What a fascinating addition to the overall Penton story.
We need an article on the Hiros in the newsletter. How 'bout it, Dane? You seem to know your way around the subject. Also, sure would be nice to know where the bikes are now. Wonder when the "Bike Registry" portion of the site is going to be up and running? The more I find out about all that took place during the "Penton years", the more I realize I didn't know. Thanks, guys. TED
Ted,
If you check out this link and the related information, I think you will be able to fill in some of the blanks on the Hiro engined Pentons.
Dane
http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4503&SearchTerms=Hiro
Quotequote:Originally posted by ktmlifer
Hi All,
I'd like to know what is the MUST have rare KTM/Penton that is still possible to acquire. I have a contact who's a huge rare dirtbike collector/restorer, so $$$ is no object.
Simply put, what important bike would you want in your collection?
Thanks, EJ
OLD S'CooL Restorations:)
jds
I've got a '97 Jackpiner (Blue with 72-style graphics) along with ALL the stuff that came with it including a complete new set of graphics from the original maker. FYI there were officially 133 of the blue ones produced as 1997-1/2 models. Mine is No. 83. MIght be willing to sell it for the right price.....
Quotequote:Originally posted by ktmlifer
Hi All,
I'd like to know what is the MUST have rare KTM/Penton that is still possible to acquire. I have a contact who's a huge rare dirtbike collector/restorer, so $$$ is no object.
Simply put, what important bike would you want in your collection?
Thanks, EJ
OLD S'CooL Restorations:)
jds
The certificate with mine says No. 83 of 133 - so I'm with you on this.
Quotequote:Originally posted by generalbay
Paul, The subject at hand here is rare and to me that means few and far between. I own a Anniversary LE 1997 Jackpiner 200 with a certificate of authenticity that states mine is "model production number 5 of 133" that is signed by Rodney D. Bush and John Penton. If we are to go by the information you just submitted with regards to Rod Bush then my bike isn't as rare as I thought it was and my certificate is no good. The figures that are being qouted here need to be accurate because a lot of people come here to get the most accurate information possible. When information is inaccurate the people giving it lose their creditibility. Those of us who do own these bikes don't want people thinking that there are 400(Larry) or 200(Paul) or worst case "nobody knows for sure" when they see one of these beautiful bikes I would rather they knew that they are looking at 1 of 133 produced. I'm not out to upset anyone, I'm just trying to help further the POG goals one of which is "If the Penton motorcycle is to achieve true classic status among the other great legendary brands, enthusiasm for ownership and understanding of the Penton legacy must continue beyond the lives of the founders and current members of the Penton Owners Group". This qoute can be found under Penton future projects. Hope this information helps anyone or everyone. Dave Duval
jds
What would the right price be?
Donny Smith
ONCE AGAIN as has been requested by MANY members MANY times. If you are listing a bike for sale as this 97 1/2 or 1980 model PLEASE list where you are and HOW MUCH you want for the bike. Many thanks!
Larry P
JDS - Thanks for your support. I'm glad someone else understood what I was trying to say. David Duval
"It is easier to find a score of men wise enough to discover the truth than to find one intrepid enough, in the face of opposition, to stand up for it" A.A. Hodge
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On the subject of rare. I'm Considering selling my 82 Husqvarna 420 auto, only 96 miles, all original, like new condition. Anyone interested? Dave Duval
On the subject of rare. I'm Considering selling my 82 Husqvarna 420 auto, only 96 miles, all original, like new condition. Anyone interested? Dave Duval
Dave,
You apparently can't follow directions or the wishes of others very well. So to give you the benefit of the doubt I will post this special for you.
It has been requested MANY TIMES by MANY people in the past that if SOMEONE has a bike FOR SALE they post it in the FOR SALE section and that they tell HOW MUCH they want for it and WHERE it is located.
Please adhere to this and don't stir the pot. Sometimes they boil over when you stir them. Thank you!
Larry P
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David,
You obviously want to keep trouble going so I will oblige you for a moment then I will attempt to politely make you understand what MANY members have tried to say nicely to you and others that can't seem to catch on. My ZZZZ comment was about something that pretty much was a pointless ranting on your part. Your ZZZZ was to a request that has been made MANY times by MULTIPLE members. It would be appreciated by ALL if you would adhere to these requests and show enough brain power to know the difference between GENERAL DISCUSSION which is for pointless rantings and actual topics and FOR SALE which is for things people have that are For Sale. Is that clear enough for you to understand before you go back to sleep? Many thanks in advance for following the rules. Hopefully the intended point will be taken and this can end here. I have been as polite as I can.
Larry P
David,
I will try to be the bigger guy first and appologize for my ZZZZ comment.
Larry P
Larry
I don't know what your problem is but I thought that this was an open forum - open to all.
I also, don't know what gives you the right to harrass other members when they give their opinion by your yelling [use of caps], sarcasm [zzz], name calling [swami] or even worse yet by your threats [boiling pot].
It seems to me that your just playing for the crowd and I don't want your personal attack against me to turn off any new members by your abusive behaviour.
Therefore, out of respect for the POG and it's members I am not going to respond to you on this forum any longer and if you have anything further to say to me it can be sent to
[email protected] my personal e-mail address.
Dave Duval
David,
This is an open forum. It was just being pointed out to you that you were doing it in a way that was not following guidelines and I believe you were doing it to garner a response so I gave you one. I appologized and can do no more. You obviously do not see the error of your ways whereas I have seen mine and tried to hold out an olive branch. I will send you no personal e-mails and do not expect to see the olive branch again just try to honor the requests of other members. By the way I yelled because it appeared you did not hear well. I also don't make threats I was mearly pointing out the fact that if you poke at something enough you might get bit. Fact not threat.
Larry P
And then the bell rang and both boys had to stay in for recess.
I would offer that by posting a bike for sale in the general forum, with no price, and no location, and ususally within an established thread only lessens the sellers chance of successfully selling his machine.
This forum is a place I come for sharing comman interest, keeping up with freinds who are distant in location, and meeting new folks who share our common interest. Then of course there is the added benefit of the decades upon decades of collective technical wisdom and experience to draw from when needed.
Someone said they heard the recess bell ring, gotta go play!
Tony
Howdy all, I have 2 classic KTM's The first one is a 1974 250 red tank with the straps I'm not sure what model it is it does have head and tale lights , The 2nd one is a 1976 125 mc5 with the kTM motor that has 125 ktm on the head both bikes are complete but have been in a garage for 22 years.. I also got half a truck load of parts with these bikes including Penton fuel tanks 1 metal 1 plastic ... What did I buy ????????
If $ is no problem, how about one of each model, from each year? And add any one offs that you were able to aquire? And guys, we all joined this group because we love the bikes, nuff said.[^]
My guess, and only a guess, so please don't ####### me, but I think the Juniorcross is probably quite rare, only 2 were made, I think and I have heard 1 is in Amherst.
I'm sure the more experienced historians will correct me, should this not be true.
Victor Monz
By the way, how many of the gold/yellow Harescramblers were made? I know at least 2, cause I have 2 of them.
Flyinhigh,
You have two very nice bikes, the red 250 is not all that rare but could be some what rare depending on which tank and Pipe it has. Personally I have not seen that many red tank 250's. The 76 MC5 125 is alot more rare. a quick look back through this thread and you will see why... Both of these bike are worth being restored.. I have a 76 mc5 250 that I bought brand new.... how could I put a price tag on that.... I had thought of restoring it to like new, even though I still ride it from time to time so it looks like it had been ridden, I choose instead to preserve it the way I rode it back when I raced it back in the day... when I was young and had more money than sense. It seemed the right thing to do so I was not only preserving the bike in a general sense but also how it was raced when it was the fastest thing on the track and I preserve the aftermarket upgrades that were in use at the time as well..
In a sense... the rarest bike is the one I own because there are so very few bikes that are still owned by their orginal owners. Not that I am special or all that smart.. I was just dumb enough or too scared to ever sell the bike and so I still own it...
Thom Green,Still crazy after all these years!
76' 250 MC5 (orginal owner)
75' GS400 (project bike)
72'sixday (project bike)
Don't forget the Penton Woodsman, I think about 77 or so were made from the best looking bike on the planet,(The Penton Trials):)
Terry Laible
Sorry for posting a Penton here, forgot we were talking KTM[V]
Terry Laible
The real question here may be not how many were produced, but how many survive today. How many didn't go to the dump, or scrap yard? How many are still unused in somebodies garage, basement, barn or even in a hedgerow some place. How many can we save?????? The more we lose the more valuable the ones that we rescue become. If one comes along and you can't justify picking it up, do it anyway and post here and somebody who does want it will probably procure it. Don't let any slip away.[^]
Hey all I'm thinkin about putting my two bikes up for sale!!! I will entertain offers on either or both... Bikes are a 1974 250 penton KTM I thinks its a hare scrambler complete with extra parts including an extra motor... The 2nd one is a 1976-77 MC5 125 complete bike it also has 10th anniversary stickers on the side plates ... I know these bikes are worth something to somebody. so feel free to post offers I am going on vacation for 2 weeks and will check back as often as possible... Thanks All
Hi all I'm back from vacation and do want to sell both bikes and all the parts I have. I dont know what there worth so for that reason I dont want to put a price on them I figure that some one here, would know more value wise than me thats why i just wanted OFFERS sorry if i affend some of ya. I guess I could say I'd like a million dollars for the lot but that wouldnt be cool so If interested let me know Price is what you'd pay !!!! Thanks both bikes are in NW Arkansas.. You can e-mail me at
[email protected] or call 479-677-3226
flyinghighktm, I tried to e-mail you about one of your bikes while you were gone but don't know if you got it. Please e-mail me at
[email protected]Thanks!
Larry P