Penton Owners Group

To date, the following is only an assumption:
Orange for GS/MX... Dupont YS017 with 914 for yellow (side panel inlet)

Porsche Riviera Blue or Krylon Ocean Blue (spray bomb) for Jackpiner
Sunshine Yellow (Krylon spray bomb) for Jackpiner. ? would Dupont 914 suffice? (side panel inlet)

Steel Tanker paint codes from a most recent post..

Green for later 6 Days tanks and panels,  from a "PPG" formula post on the Resto Group...

Red with slight orange tint for 74 (unknown)

Cripes, do we need to finish it?

The list grows, with each post......

eeee  cripes, Ces't francais, Nest pas  ??
  Tom I can understand this frustration,
   Dam it John, I'm a mechanic/machinist/rider,
 not a painter!!!!.
   I got 4 bikes I'm getting ready to paint, I'm color blind and I'm relying on this web site for information to give to the "paint man" !!
     
 will we ever have an established paint scheme to follow when reconditioning these beutiful ole Pentons ???

Raymond
 Down East Pentons

Raymond,
  I think you have a excellent recomendation.  Why don't you self appoint yourself to get a base started and present your finding to the Directors and see if we can have it as a part of our home subject site.
  I think plenty of people have already had input (check search engine) and plenty of others will give new input.  Don't wait for someone else to do it, take the lead....that is the great thing about the POG YOU can make things happen.
  I will tell you I have had ideas that haven't passed on the first request, but they are in place now.  Make it happen.[8D]

Ron Carbaugh

I have a friend here in Maine who owns a powder coating/ paint house. He has an instrument that they use to match the color when changing the finish of a piece of metal from paint to powder. Kind of looks like a cross between a microscope and a camera. He has enough years in the business where his eye is about as good as the machine. If it would be of help, I could see if we can create something of a list. I don't have a steel tank berkshire or a 400, but I have a pretty good sampling of the rest of the line..

Bill
Downeast Pentons - Central division

Bill,
  It sounds like a good start.  My point was and is ..... don't ask instead DO.  I think your suggestion is excellent.  I have the sample of what you don't have.

Ron Carbaugh

Hello,
I originally posted the comments about Porsche Riviera Blue being a good match for Jackpiner Blue. The paint shop scanned my tank, granted it was an older tank, the color turned out to be a good match (even under florescent lights). The paint is available in a single stage formulation, as well as base coat clear coat. The single stage is catalyzed and has excellent resistance to fuel. The Porsche Blue matched the other 4 Jackpiners I had at the time. Hope this helps.
Steve

Ron, do you really feel that someone who knows nothing about paint should self appoint himself and get a base started?? Would you seek advice on your beloved project from that inexperienced individual?
  I dont even know what a Steel Tanker paint scheme looks like, never mind the information needed to do the paint correctly,
   

Raymond
 Down East Pentons

Raymond,
  My response to your comment:
"will we ever have an established paint scheme to follow when reconditioning these beutiful ole Pentons ???"
was that I don't feel I have the time since I am involved with other self appointed projects and the best way for some one to learn is to jump in feet first.  Nothing, I repeat nothing that you suggest or enter for a answer can't be changed.  Is you want to learn about the paint and designs for these old bikes what better way to start.  I was just trying to get people that suggest things we (POG) need to do get involved.  That was my premise.



Ron Carbaugh

jeeze, meant no harm, some of these posts do tend to become emotional at times............

The love of a PENTON.......

Goodnight....
Tom..........

Tom,
  No emotions here.  Just I feel that at some point we as a group need to tackle this paint situation and I felt since  Raymond brought it up he might be interested in starting the ball rolling.  If the posts I made sounded like I meant to harm or be emotional about the subject please reread them knowing this was not the intent.
  There is a reason I haven't been jumping up and down about this subject. Everytime I would try to get a universal color name or match when I sent it to the person requesting it their painter didn't use that brand of paint or some other excuse.  Therefore I just have my things painted by a Friend and we do the best we can.
  An example of this was I tried to send some paint codes to Thomas Carmichael for his '76 250 Penton.  No luck so I just sent him a NOS side cover and problem resolved.
  End of subject on my side....please reread my posts if anyone thought I was trying to do anything other than my intent.

Thanks,

Ron Carbaugh

Here are a few paint codes that I have good luck with:

Red with slight orange tint for 74 = '93 Mustang Cobra Performance Red code EY.

Frame = Mercedes silver code 744, then clear coated with an added flattening agent semi-flat.


John J Slivka

Got to admit, it's getting better....
Thanks for the RED...Tom.....

Hello Poggers! Kinda always felt that this post would bring out some "sleepers". Guess what it is happening, tho it is still a dream to have an area on our website for techie info. The imagination runs wild, the Desire is still there, thanks, for being contributing members, I guess that's what we are...How about the "white" with a bit of Patina?
Tom...

I would like to ads my 2 cents worth about this and that is Thank You very much Ron for sending me the side cover to get the correct color match for my 250 it came out GREAT !! and as you know when I first started my quest on putting this bike back like it originally came from the factory. I asked several times what the paint color was and I am sure that I had several answers but when it comes down to different paint companies this is when it gets cloudy. It would be good if there was a way to get the original codes so it could be converted to todays paints.

Raymond, I will help you with this quest.There has been many posts here in POG on this matter.What can I do to help ? Just e-mail me and let's knock this baby out!!!

Thomas Carmichael

jj, cumon man how close is it? Did you buff your tank and then have it matched, I have a pint and it appears close. 74 to 76 Red
Thanks, Tom...

I just had some Jackpiner blue mix today. Took in a new, stock side cover and the paint shop match it for me. When I took it in to get it matched,I asked if they could make a paint code. They said it would take much longer to do that. They would rather mix it without the code. The paint shop said they could get it the same, after they mixed it the first time.When they mix it the second time they us some type of scope, if I save some paint. The blue I had mixed looks real close.If you get a code for the paints, you have to use the paint that the code are made for. Different paint companies use different pigment in their paints.  Gary

When I did the paint on my 72 Piner the paint store (PPG) put the code in the computer under my name. Whenever I need more they just look it up. I have had the frame paint mixed twice and it came out great. Dennis D

Sorry to convey a "sense of urgency" in the matter. I do realize that in a manufactures run of some 30 years ago, with the technology they had, variations of hue and depth of color were possible. Now some 30 years later, here comes repo and reclaimed/reconditioned parts. By this post, I think we are able to at least gain some perspectives to establish a base.
Thanks for being contributing POG members....

My painter cleaned up a spot on the bottom side of the tank to make the match.

John J Slivka

I have a NOS side cover in orange for the MC5 and GS models. I am in the process of restoring the tank and side covers for one bike and the other is a west coast bike in red that is waiting to be restored. As soon as I have a paint code, I will post it.

Thanks, Bob

another paint question:
 Is the 76 MC5 the same color orange as the 77 GS models ??  My 76  tank was painted red and the orange under the red seemed a lot lighter than the orange on the 77 GS model.

Raymond
 Down East Pentons

The orange is a light orange on the MC5's and GS models and appears the same for 76 and 77. The red on my west coast bike is an orange-red color that is darker. The orange is lighter than I remember and lighter than the current KTM orange which is very vibrant where the MC5's are much softer or muted. Hope this helps.

Thanks, Bob

Thanks Bob, that does shed some light on the subject.  Gotta love it,   all I see is big orange in the shop !!!  Now what could that paint code be for the 96 Pumpkin colored katooms !! :D

Raymond
 Down East Pentons

Tom,

I looking to spray bomb the panel I got from you, can't find the Ocean Blue you mentioned.  Is there anyplace to buy it online?  Has anybody else found a spray bomb blue that's close?  I have limited paint to choose from in town.

Thanks!

Tommy

Can try //www.krylon.com
I think they list a retailer near you, they also have a "short cuts" can, smaller in amount, hope this gets you close...Tom....

I tried there and didn't see the Ocean Blue.  Is it under a different name?

Thanks!

Tommy

Google search for Krylon Ocean Blue gave some hits...Tom...

Sorry to be such a PITA! Have we established a reasonable match for the green of fiberglass equipped models? To date I only have PPG 44 623, there was some discussion about Restoleum Hunter Green 7538 (rattlecan). I have not tried either.
So close? and yet so far away?......Cumon Penton Pals.........
Tom Brosius ;)

Oh if it were only that easy. I've got 4 sets of six days parts I'm going to have done at the same time so they all match. I'll have the painter code it, and he'll have it for me when I need it.
Tom- good luck!      Dan

Anyone have a code for a green steeltanker?  I found the Limco 79835 but my paint shop is PPG and they gave a blank look when I asked.  They offered their paint books or a computer match but a real code would be better.

Porche Riviera Blue?
I don't re-member who sent me this paint code, what I do know is that it it seems to work..........

There is "nothing" that will ever replace a "well dressed Penton"

And, they come in many colors too! [}:)]

Tom Brosius
Mile High Pentons

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