http://six-days.org/pages/archivio_it/archit/it_a/ktm_it/ktm_ph/01.html
I've got it directed to pic #1, click the arrow on the right to progress to another picture. I've gotten up to 60-something and there's still more, but I'll have to play with it later when I have more time.
Of interest (to me)
#13 starts our Steel Tank era, they call the '68's series I, '69 Series II, and so on.
#16 is an awesome picture of Tom Penton that I've never seen before.
#27
#32
#45
#51
whoa, I'm still shaking, how cool!
Bob...you're the Master!
Where do you find this stuff?
These pics are great!
Bob,
There's a WHOLE lot of memories there. I had no idea that there were 50's and 80's so far into the years. I'd love to have one of those 70's versions.
Dane
#58 does it for me!!! Can you guess why?:DGREAT FIND!!!
Thomas Carmichael
1970 125 Six Day
1976 250 Hare Scrambler
Dear Robo B-Rob, echo's in those pictures, tell stories of men and their machines. I was particularly interested in the GS series. Once, not long ago, a friend of our's sent me a badly broken up GS headlight nacelle, it became a dream to reproduce. The Tiscali website also has stories in the same respects. Where on "Earth" did you find these pictures? you have done way more!!!!
Tom Brosius
Amazing,Thanks for posting it.Way to go rob w.You made my day,Frosty
Il rob caro Wardlow, ringraziamenti per i vostri sforzi duraturi, il gruppo dei proprietari di Penton e me, รจ elogiativo dei vostri sforzi. Tom Brosius
Bob:
You still haven't answered the original question: where do you find this kind of thing? And who is it that is putting it together. Great stuff.
Mike
BTW: Get back to me separately when you get a chance. You mentioned what a great time you had at the Pine Cone last year. On that basis, I was thinking about including it in my plans for this year. Let me know what kind of a ride it was, and the attraction. Get back to me at "
[email protected]"
Thanks,
Mike
Rob,
Great job finding and posting these wonderful pictures. You sure are an awesome web-surfer!
Paul
These photos and more can be found on the six-days.org website:
http://www.six-days.org/pages/en/en_main.html
Click on "archive", and that will open up a window with a map of Europe. Click on a country (example, "A" for "Austria"), and then another window will open with marquees (ex. "KTM and PUCH"). Click on a marquee, and that will get you to photos and information on that marquee....but all of the info is in a foreign language (maybe Italian?). If you click on the tiny little motorcycle, it will take you to all of the pictures of that marquee. Click on the yellow arrows on the bottom to scroll through them.
They also have some really cool screensavers that you can download to your computer. Go to "news", then to "the six-days screensavers". There is a choice of 4 different ones.
Gary
How did I find it?...
I just typed in Arnaldo Farioli, went through about 3 sites, found Six-Days.org, clicked something a couple times, and.....whamm-o here we are.
Dane,
I know, those 50's and 80's are super cool. I love the ones there from the mid-70's, and there's some others from the 1980's I've never known about.
New Mission: find one of those engines and transplant it into a '74 CMF Penton.
Should'nt be all that difficult to find the engine, it may have to come from over there, but I know it can be found.
Mike, You must have read my mind, I've been thinking I should start a campain for the coming year and tell all interested about the Pine Cone Enduro here in Michigan. I can't say enough about it, it's a great ride, fun and challenging, vintage friendly, 50 miles long with a 12 mph average. You can compete in the "Vintage Class" or just ride for fun, and you can either ride or hang out the next day for the Jackpine. Excellent, historic atmosphere. Even though my bike did'nt run well, it was maybe the best day I had riding in '05, I just want to share it with more people. There is'nt enough good rides like this left to be found, and I want to erge more riders to come discover it for themselves.
Thanks,
Bob
Thanks so much for finding the cool picts Bob they are great!
#103 1989 250 EXC
#105 1991 300 EXC
Was in my era,it is hard to find pics of them I had both of them brand new.I am glad they did not stick with the 1991-92 mint green![:0]The 1989 was AWSOME!!I would kill to have another new one!![}:)]
Thanks for bringing back the memories.
Bobby Stults
Bob:
If you find a Sachs 50 engine to try and put it in a CMF frame, are you going to go the whole route and try to lighten it up? You are certainly going to have to try and find narrower rims and tires for it, because I know that the 50 certainly won't spin the 4.00 rear tire. I know that the 50's that I remember, used to use 3.50 rear tires and either 2.50 or 2.75 front tires.
Dane
My 1969 Six Day, when new came with a 2.75 on the front and a 3.50 on the rear. I felt it was a great setup. I don't think a 50 could even handle a 3.50, but not sure if there is anything smaller.
Donny Smith
Donny,
All of the 50's and 75's I remember from my ISDT's, used 3.50 rears and 2.50 or 2.75 fronts.
Dane
http://six-days.org/pages/archivio_it/archit/it_a/ktm_it/ktm_ph/41.html
http://six-days.org/pages/archivio_it/archit/it_a/ktm_it/ktm_ph/40.html
http://six-days.org/pages/archivio_it/archit/it_a/ktm_it/ktm_ph/51.html
What's the story behind this one, this is Mr. Penton's bike correct?
http://gallery.pentonusa.org/gallery/album02?page=7
http://gallery.pentonusa.org/gallery/album02?page=8
Rob,
Maybe I don't see as well as I once did, but it looks like Mr Penton's 50 is a modified steel tank frame. The other one looks like a CMF frame? Is that what you see??
Donny Smith
Rob and Donny,
At one point in the Penton history, when the minicycle market was beginning to grow, JP tried to get KTM to understand that new segment of the off road world, and KTM then threw together two prototypes and sent them over here. (There may have been more than two, but that's all that made it to Lorain.) What you're seeing in these pictures, are those bikes. The "steel tank framed" model, is still here, but for one reason or another, the "CMF framed model,went back to Austria, I think.
I think that since they weren't physiclly small enought to actually fit into the minicycle category, I believe that JP must have decided not to have KTM build them.
Another possibility that may exist regarding their never having gotten past the prototype stage, was that they really did't run that well. I don't know if it was the jetting or what, but they were pretty slow, and I think that the little YZ's of the time, were lot's more powerful, comparatively speaking. In hindsight, I believe that with a better pipe and carburetor (the steel tank framed machine that is here, has an Amal on it) the bike would have run better.
One last note: the pictures of the CMF framed machine off the Italian Web site, show the machine in enduro trim, but when the example of that was over here, it was in motocross form.
Dane
Dane,
Thanks for the update. Always great to hear this kind of information!!
Donny Smith
Dane, Yes thanks for the background story on Mr. Penton's 50. I think it's proto-typing purpose and significance of being makes it probably one of the most rare Penton bikes we have over here. Can you think of any other one-off KTM proto-types that are still alive and well in the U.S.
Is that all original as it was first delivered. What year would that have been?
I believe those are Gas Girlings shocks on it, those came out in '75.
I was reading something about those engines. It said the Sachs 50 S motor initially had an output of 4.5 HP and was followed with a 6.25 HP, then even a 8.5 HP for a short period. I'm sure they're speaking of the production engines, I suspect they got a little more than that out of their competition bikes, would'nt you say?
Thanks
Bob
Bob,
The only other prototype that I think might be here somewhere, is the 175 "Pentuch", and nobody seems to know whatever happened to it. The 125 and 175 prototypes are in Arnaldo's collection.
As far as I know, the bike is in exactly the same condition as when it arrived right down to the grips. I don't know about the shocks, but I know that we had them in the Hi Point line, so I would suppose that there is a chance that they were put on the bike here.
I would be pretty sure that the race machines would have been massaged pretty much. I know that Sigi's motocross machines were tuned to the limit, and he would redo the top end after each meet. I'm pretty sure that the enduro machines wouldn't have been as close to the edge.
Dane
Rik Smits came up to Amherst today to pick up the 50cc Zundapp that JP gave him, and when he was here, he was eyeballing the 50cc Penton that we have. I mentioned to him about this page that Rob located, and I told him I'd bring it back to the front page so he could look it over. Soooooo, here it is.
Dane