penton
Hey Bob" Glad to see Terrys finally announcing the bike!I traveled through there two weeks ago and stopped by and it looked good!Did'nt get to ride it?There were a couple of out of state old time racers there that came to see it and was visiting with Terry while I was there so I did'nt stay long!All in All its a nice bike!I will buy one even if it turns out to be a pitbike!I have been told that the price will be very resonable too!:)
I hope to get by there in a couple weeks. Cant wait to see and ride one?
I am doing my best to stay off of here but had to make a parting comment since this bull has come up again.
Terry
When this came up last time you called me because you thought I was against you. I wasn't against you but all this pretending tires me. You asked me then if I could say something nice about you on the POG. Well, here goes.
I think it is NICE that you are so delusional to believe if you make up enough people you will have support for your idea. At least get better at it if you want to trash up what was once interesting with more junk. I hope I am not the only one that sees the same English mistakes in all these pretend people. Try to make up one that at least can get complete sentences right and doesn't use lol. I hope also that I am not the only one that sees that one of the posts is an attempt to see who has what bikes. This is a dangerous thing if a thief were to use the info. It is why I never post what all bikes I have.
I am sure this is the part where some of the made ups chime in saying they are real. If so Jay explain why in one sentence you said you saw the bike and then in another you say you will buy one even if it turns out to be a pitbike. If you saw it can you not tell a pitbike from a regular one? Better yet don't even try to explain as I will still see the BS even if others don't or won't.
Is there not some screening process that could be used to make sure a person is legitimate before they just go willy nilly with stupid comments?
Now I will do my best to stay away since it is for the better of what the POG site has become. If you will do the same with all the disturbed parts of your delusional brain Terry, then things will also improve. I suspect however, that the improvement of the POG site is not what you are about.
Okay, that is as NICE as I can be.
Larry P
Larry,
Well said and right on the button.
Tony
Thank you Larry,
For saying publicly what many of us are saying to each other.
Dennis Jones
Larry,You forgot about the ending of a sentence with a question mark????...i.e.-I didn't get to ride it?...OR... contact Terry on his site for info? (wolfman). The real shame/travesty would be to see the Penton name on a chinese pitbike or foo-foo 4 stroke 150 or whatever.That would be very,very sad,to say the least.That would make me PUKE? and that's "THE TRUTH".....
Ric
ric emmal
anyone who has stolen (legally or not)someone else's good name and try to market crap using The Man's name is not worth all this attention he's getting.Notice some of his posts are vanishing?the coward won't even stand behind what he says,much less a motorcycle. ........................
This guy wolfman is quite the guy. toots his own horn, waves his own flag, pats himself on the back, and builds his own fan club.
Hey, he showed me his papers and he is legit!He is going to put a picture of it soon on his site (today or yet this week)I hope you all get to see it?Hey,if he wants to sell them so a lot of kids understand who JP was and his sons that sounds great to me?A lot of people can't afford to buy there kids a new ktm?He has reproduced a lot of items for are old bikes?I just like Pentons of any kind?It seems anymore theres only (4) to choose from anyway?I would'nt worry about him getting rich,he has done quite well for himself at his age already!I really think he just wanted to do something nice so a lot of kids can trailride in the woods on an inexspensive bike thats well made and have fun?The prices that he's kinda quoted me are very reasonable?I really believe he will back them up too!Parts don't look to be a problem for his future owners?Not wanting a war for saying all this but he's treated me ok!I really don't think he's out to make money!Jay"(maybe he can get more youths out in the woods again at nite after school and keep them out of trouble?):)
JP is a great man that had a dream, and pursued it to a great and everlasting legacy. Period.
My 10 year old son is growning up with a great respect for the Penton motorcycles that he has seen, and like I stated in an earlier post, he can't wait until he is tall enough to ride one of my Pentons!
I don't see how anyone can think that a product that has an unauthorized name can teach my son or any of our youth anything about who JP is, or the value of good and honesty and quality that a man like JP staked his reputation on. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 250'S
Poggers et al, While I do commend the efforts, I have some serious questions re: intent. I did a simple search on the following link, and have discovered what I believe is an attempt to garner the Penton Trademark, for what purpose I do not know; I do believe the Penton Trademark should remain within the Penton Family and consider it an offense if what I read is true...
http://www.uspto.gov/#
if you click on Trademarks, then search trademarks, then new user form search, then search term Penton, submit query,in the list under s/n 78310165 is an official document.
I don't know what this means, could someone help me out?
Confused in Denver.
Respectfully,
Tom Brosius
Terry owns the trademark for Penton (motorcycles) and Hi-Point.
Do you not understand there is absolutely no one on this site that believes you or any of the other Terry alias names are real and no one believes Terry is legit. You can say it to yourself all you want and you can be delusional enough to believe it but everyone else is just laughing at you Terry. You can call yourself whatever you want but I bet money I never meet any of you because you live in someones head...Terry's! What an idiot you are for thinking you are anything more than a con man and what an idiot I am wasting time explaining reality to a dumbass.
Larry P
[8D]
Wolfman, Jay, Terry, Curly, Moe or Larry. If you had any decency in you at all, you would rush those trademarks to the Penton family where they belong. Since we know that won't happen, the Penton family will remain one of the most respected and honest names in motorcycle history and yours will be looked on with disgust.
I can't imagine carrying that wieght but you must think a lot of alias' help spread it out.
Dennis Jones
If Larry and Jay-Terry meet to "talk" soon...I've got $20 on Larry.
If for nothing else, really bad punctuation upsets me.
It's interesting to me that LP is picking on Terry for being a "fake". Wasn't he the guy selling a "Pentaha"?
If all these pretend people will show up at ISDTRR I will publicly appologize that I was wrong on all these alias names. Guess what? I won't have to because you are all one and the same and the main one is a coward and would never show up. By the way when you come bring the bike it would be a great place to show it off. It will never happen.
Larry P
[8D]
... "Fate worse than the first death
It's incredibly difficult to start up a new motorcycle company, and when beloved marques from motorcycling's past are resurrected, only to die again, the second death often leaves a taste even more sour."
Lance Oliver - AMA
But Penton did not die. It still lives strong in all of us and the KTM brand. The hope to imitate such a grand time by stealing a name of honor by some idiotic paper chase is beyond me or anyone else with moral fortitude.
"All of which is just proof that starting a new company in a capital-intensive industry is incredibly difficult.
And when these ventures fail, the second death of a beloved marque like Indian feels nearly as sad, and leaves a taste even more sour, than the first."
© 2006, American Motorcyclist Association
But this is Penton, and it will always be Penton. So when Terry and his band of dimwits bites the dust of our precious marque, we will all rejoice in knowing what he just can't seem to grasp.
THERE IS ONLY ONE PENTON!!!
Robert Manucy
72 Berkshire
72 Six Day
04 BMW K12GT
Touche' Sir Manucy.
Tom Benolkin
"I just want you all to know that if our platoon ever sees heavy combat, I will be right behind you guys all the way"
(Harold Remus) The movie Stripes 1981.
Just a funny side note.
TB
This is for racer 501, why would you think a Pentaha is a fake?? Alot of people have taken the best of two or more brands and spliced them together to make a better machine. On the street side a great variety of motors have been dropped into or shoehorned into Norton chassis', so you get Tritons, Vintons, and yes even a HDton, among a long list of others. So the idea that it's been done with a great consistency with dirt bikes shouldn't be a surprize.
Although I have never seen one in person, I have heard stories of guy putting 125 Honda engines in the Penton Chassis back in the mid 70's. I am not 100% sure of this, but maybe it was Donnie Elmer of FMF fame that might have built the 1st one!?!?!?!
Donny Smith
I must have a say in the Pentaha discussion....my best friend built it and it is a beautiful machine.
I have seen Pendha's out here in So. Cal...and if your up against one riding a Penton with a SACHS motor...don't miss a gear it will fly by and you'll struggle to catch up!
Of course with my best friend adjusting my SACH's....I don't miss too many gears, mostly operator malfunctions.
Victor Monz
I think Donnie Emler or Dave Miller of FMF,DMC fame built the first Penda.My buddy Nick Barrick has had at least 2 Pendas and they are neat.He has one with a way built xl 125 4 stroke in one now and it's his favorite bike.So,to each his own.It's a testimate to the handling of the cmf frame that so many different motors have found their way into these frames.
Ric
ric emmal
How about posting a few pics of these hybrids?? Make an interesting addition to the site.
Along the hybrid discussion: there's a great article in this month's AMA magazine about Dick Mann running a Matchless motor in an AJS frame for road races and then taking the motor out and putting it into a BSA frame for TT races! He won the Grand National title in 1963, I think, doing that.
I'm also building a hybrid: I call it a Pentonda, but it's nothing more than an XL100 Honda with all the lights and brackets cut off, with a Penton seat cover, fenders, and Berkshire paint job. I'm on your side Larry, build another one! [8D]
Wouldn't a Pentonda be a Honda motor in a Penton chassis??
How do they classify that? Motor first then chassis?? So a Honda motor in a Penton chassis would be a Honton? or would it be a Pentda?
Not that it makes any difference as long as your riding it. Still would like to see pics, Just like the Puch powered Penton at Mid Ohio, not something you see everyday, but kinda neet to look at.[^]
A couple different guys here in the Pac NW run Pen-Da's using the XL125 motor. Fast guy and former pro flat-tracker Randy Skiver ran one a couple years back and was smoking everyone in the class.
Jon McLean
Lake Grove, OR
FOlks have been mixing matching engines/chassis for many decades, though It does eem to have been much more common back n the old days. My first attempt at it was back in the brakeless days.....I put a Triumph TigerCub 200cc engine in a Harley 165 Hummer frame. I suppose you could call it a Triley, but I think a Harumph sounds more appropriate. Seems like a lot of the conversions I come across these days involve folks putting a Honda 4-stroke into chassis such as the CR80, either on their own or like with BBR.
Did a Variation of that myself. Had a CRF450R chassis sitting around and a couple of old XR200s. SO what the heck.....pulled one of the XR200 motors out and stuck it in the CRF450 chassis:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/PenontISDT/crf200rtrqcopy.jpg)
Honda motor, Honda chassis...hmmm, I guess yo'd call it a Honda:D[?]
Actually, we call it our CRF200R!! I gues having been racing karts for years, got used to putting together a wide variety of engine/chassis combo's. Here's were the motor out of the CRF450R ended up:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/PenontISDT/RA-04_1122.jpg)
Charlie, that's great!
Seems this Karting thing is more popular than I realized.......
Tony
Quite popular....even amongst old bike racers. A couple of years ago, racing out at Laguna Seca, my son got to do something I only ever dreamed of doing on a bike years ago. He was running 1st in class (single cylinder) and 3rd overall to a couple of guys in the twin-cylinder class (Yamaha TZ250's)....you might have heard of them, their names were Lawson and Rainey.
I hate to kick a sleeping dog, but what is the "TRUTH" about the Penton Trademark and the rights to the Penton Brand?
Donny Smith
Lakeside, CA, soon to be Paragould, AR
Donny,
I think there are a few "inquiring minds" that want to know. Many of us have picked up on it in the midst of the flack, leaving us a bit confused. From my vantage point (and this is ONLY my interpetation)there is an individual that has done proper litigation to acquire Penton trademark status. This persons direction and goals remain to be seen.
Go Penton!
Tom,
I kinda gather that, I was just wondering if it's true. Has anyone actually done the research to see if it's legit?
Donny Smith
Lakeside, CA, soon to be Paragould, AR
Donny,
I am hoping that some of the POG overclass will pipe in to fill in the blanks with the facts. Still curious like you on this.
Tom B
Donny,
If you go back to the 1st page of this post, I belive it was Tom that listed the link to the trademark or patent application. Myself I have some issue with getting a patent or trademark on someones given name, which is like calling yourself them. I would think that impersonating another person, by getting a trademark on someones namesake would be illegal and not stand up in court, regardless of any trademark application being granted. Getting a trademark on the name HI-Point on the other hand, which evidently was also applied for would be another story if a trademark had never before been applied for. This would be a task for an actual patent or trademark lawyer to determine. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 250'S
Donny & Others,
Here is the information you requested. Just click on it. You will notice it is a supplimental ONLY trademark...so big deal[:o)].
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=99v91s.2.1
Ron Carbaugh
Kerrville, Texas
Also, maybe of interest, the trademark for Hi-Point was abandoned on 9/11/06.
Lew Mayer
Mike,T.B.,Ron,Donny,and All,I have found myself sometimes getting too emotional when making posts regarding this trademark legitimacy question.We are all very proud of our bikes.We all know what gems we have in our real Pentons.I'm sure many of us would hate to see Mr. Penton's name being put on anything he didn't design,approve of,or endorse.And though i would never,ever, claim to know Mr. Penton's opinion on this,i doubt very much he would endorse any Chinese knock off of a Japanese minibike or motorcycle with his name on it.I've read a few interviews from back in the 70's in which he made it very clear about how he felt about the asian motorcycle industry(at least back then).It may be that if,in fact his name/trademark has been somehow legally taken from him he must protect himself-legally,by not saying anything about any future product publicly.Even if it was a quality,competitive,modern race bike-or even a good replica of the originals,(probably impossible!)-until he says so,it is not John Penton's bike.A man's good name and honor go hand in hand.- Just as the small Chinese manufacturer's operate,using one brand name until they are discovered breaking patent infringement laws-then they move their operation and change their name and restart up under a new moniker,i.e. Handa,Yamoto,Etc.,this guy has a history of being one personality,then another,and another,ad naseum.No Honor or scruples whatsoever.So i pity the unsuspecting few(if this bike ever comes to fruition)who buy one thinking it is a recreation/replica/tribute of a great bike only to be disappointed with something entirely different.Put one of your own "names/identies" on the tank!In these days of identity theft i guess this should have been expected.Anyway,even though it may somehow legally say Penton on it,WE all know the real thing when we see it.Shame on any fool who tries to disgrace our Pentons!And yes,i too am curious to hear about how all this came about.....Ric
ric emmal
Lew,
Great point. Here is the location to check this out;
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=om1fb6.2.1
I guess that it was such a money making business that someone just forgot to renew it??[:0][:0]
Ron Carbaugh
Kerrville, Texas
Ron, et al, the Tess search function only works for a short while, I think it is a "session" while one is engaged.
In regards to my first post, my thoughts were about "intent"
At the top of our website, are our intentions, clearly displayed.
This is a very hard subject to talk about. There are passionate feelings regarding the Penton Legacy. We own them, we produce parts to protect His honor, we go to vendors and members who believe the same things.
So sanctimonious, is the one who took the Penton Trademark?
If you knew "so much" why, then, did you do this?
Think of the RR in two weeks, it is an emotional place,
DW is already talking about it, I remember Tulsa ought 4.
Respectfully
Tom Brosius
Donny,
I think there are a few "inquiring minds" that want to know. Many of us have picked up on it in the midst of the flack, leaving us a bit confused. From my vantage point (and this is ONLY my interpetation)there is an individual that has done proper litigation to acquire Penton trademark status. This persons direction and goals remain to be seen.
Go Penton!
Tom,
I kinda gather that, I was just wondering if it's true. Has anyone actually done the research to see if it's legit?
Donny Smith
Lakeside, CA, soon to be Paragould, AR
Donny,
I am hoping that some of the POG overclass will pipe in to fill in the blanks with the facts. Still curious like you on this.
Tom B
Donny,
If you go back to the 1st page of this post, I belive it was Tom that listed the link to the trademark or patent application. Myself I have some issue with getting a patent or trademark on someones given name, which is like calling yourself them. I would think that impersonating another person, by getting a trademark on someones namesake would be illegal and not stand up in court, regardless of any trademark application being granted. Getting a trademark on the name HI-Point on the other hand, which evidently was also applied for would be another story if a trademark had never before been applied for. This would be a task for an actual patent or trademark lawyer to determine. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 250'S
Donny & Others,
Here is the information you requested. Just click on it. You will notice it is a supplimental ONLY trademark...so big deal[:o)].
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=99v91s.2.1
Ron Carbaugh
Kerrville, Texas
Also, maybe of interest, the trademark for Hi-Point was abandoned on 9/11/06.
Lew Mayer
Mike,T.B.,Ron,Donny,and All,I have found myself sometimes getting too emotional when making posts regarding this trademark legitimacy question.We are all very proud of our bikes.We all know what gems we have in our real Pentons.I'm sure many of us would hate to see Mr. Penton's name being put on anything he didn't design,approve of,or endorse.And though i would never,ever, claim to know Mr. Penton's opinion on this,i doubt very much he would endorse any Chinese knock off of a Japanese minibike or motorcycle with his name on it.I've read a few interviews from back in the 70's in which he made it very clear about how he felt about the asian motorcycle industry(at least back then).It may be that if,in fact his name/trademark has been somehow legally taken from him he must protect himself-legally,by not saying anything about any future product publicly.Even if it was a quality,competitive,modern race bike-or even a good replica of the originals,(probably impossible!)-until he says so,it is not John Penton's bike.A man's good name and honor go hand in hand.- Just as the small Chinese manufacturer's operate,using one brand name until they are discovered breaking patent infringement laws-then they move their operation and change their name and restart up under a new moniker,i.e. Handa,Yamoto,Etc.,this guy has a history of being one personality,then another,and another,ad naseum.No Honor or scruples whatsoever.So i pity the unsuspecting few(if this bike ever comes to fruition)who buy one thinking it is a recreation/replica/tribute of a great bike only to be disappointed with something entirely different.Put one of your own "names/identies" on the tank!In these days of identity theft i guess this should have been expected.Anyway,even though it may somehow legally say Penton on it,WE all know the real thing when we see it.Shame on any fool who tries to disgrace our Pentons!And yes,i too am curious to hear about how all this came about.....Ric
ric emmal
Lew,
Great point. Here is the location to check this out;
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=om1fb6.2.1
I guess that it was such a money making business that someone just forgot to renew it??[:0][:0]
Ron Carbaugh
Kerrville, Texas
Ron, et al, the Tess search function only works for a short while, I think it is a "session" while one is engaged.
In regards to my first post, my thoughts were about "intent"
At the top of our website, are our intentions, clearly displayed.
This is a very hard subject to talk about. There are passionate feelings regarding the Penton Legacy. We own them, we produce parts to protect His honor, we go to vendors and members who believe the same things.
So sanctimonious, is the one who took the Penton Trademark?
If you knew "so much" why, then, did you do this?
Think of the RR in two weeks, it is an emotional place,
DW is already talking about it, I remember Tulsa ought 4.
Respectfully
Tom Brosius
What Terry has done/is doing is despicable. His behavior smacks of someone who is not quite right in the head.
There's a great scene from the movie Bodyheat (actually there are many great scenes in that movie, but I won't go into a description of most of them [}:)] ). An arsonist is talking to a lawyer (interesting twist) who is wanting to set fire to a building in The Breakers, on the beach in Florida, and has asked the arsonist (a former client) to show him how to set the firebomb. The arsonist advices the lawyer not to go through with it, saying "Listen to me, counselor. When you go to commit a serious crime, there are a hundred ways you can screw up. If you can think of fifty of them, you're a genius ... and You .. ain't no genius."
Likewise, an individual effort to plan, source, build, market, distribute, sell, and service/support a brand new bike in today's commercial environment against the established manufacturers in the motorcycle industry couldn't be accomplished by a certified genius .... and Terry .. ain't no genius.
This guy is a mustard burp, momentarily noticed, then gone in the wind. He lives to antagonize, and wins only if we pay attention to him. If we tune him out, he ceases to exist.
Larry Seale
I choose to ride