hi guys i'm with the enduro riders assoc we have be putting on the little burr enduro for 49 years and next year is the 50th. if we were to offer a vintage enduro on sat before the reg. enduro ,50 easy miles, no computers just watch and odo , would there be any interest? thanks for any imput. steve barber 614 891 1369
steve barber
Steve,
Do you have an idea as to what date your event would take place on? This message board is read by folks from all over the country and some may not be familiar with your event, could you provide the location? This sounds like a neat idea.
Thanks
Paul
the likely date would be 1st weekend after labor day. we are located in McArthur,Ohio, in southern ohio. We also put on the baby burr national dual sport on oct 14 & 15, this event is also vintage friendly. the little burr was a national enduro for many years, until we started putting on isdt/isde qualifiers. we're back putting on enduros again. this was the race that in 1969 John Penton was the only finisher and rumored to have been seen running thru the woods carrying his bike. if there is enough interest we would like to put this event on. this is just in the exploratory stages but we would like to do this. any interest or questions you can call 614 891 1369 or email at
[email protected]steve barber
steve,i'm sure there would be intrest in the event! i rode the 250 little burr 3 times on penton and huskys, i'll ride my 1967 greeves at your event next year dennis brown
dennis l.brown
Steve,
We have a POG meeting on Thursday evening and I will be glad to pass the word about your proposed vintage enduro. I know the first question will be what requirements will the bikes have to meet as far as being street legal, proof of insurance, ect. Any information that you can provide will be helpful.
Your area always was a hotbed for enduros and it would be nice to get a group together for your ride.
Thanks
Paul
paul the requirements would be the same as a local enduro. headlight,taillight and licence plate. "enduro legal" you need to look legal and the sheriff will leave us alone. we have a great relationship with the local sheriff department.
steve barber
Count me in, why not, I might as well do it while I can still enjoy it.[^]
steve, you may want to get in touch with ahrma and make it a ahrma event also.please let us do the time keeping and route sheets, an easy but real enduro.
dennis l.brown
i posted a note on the ahrma discussion board in the cross country category concerning this event. also, i'll talk it up at the ahrma cross-country events that i attend. i bet that we could get a pretty decent turnout for it. chijer
Just a note here guys, but the original posting author has not alluded to an affiliation with AHRMA for the event.
I'm not offering an opinion one way or another, but perhaps a down shift in deference to the hosting club might be in order before we plan their event for them.
Tony
it would be a great event, and to be honest it probably would not be affiliated with ahrma. they really don't have a vintage enduro thing set up. even their isdt reunion ride events are more like a harescrambles than a timekeeping enduro. that being said, there are probably a lot of ahrma guys like myself that are into vintage offroad bikes that would jump at the chance for an event such as this, especially if it doesn't conflict with a series event where we run for points. i'll be there and i'll try to drag as many of my ahrma buddies along as possible. chijer
Steve,
The gang at the POG meeting last night really liked your plan to run a vintage enduro. I think you can count on a number of Pentons showing up for your event if you decide to go through with it.
Please keep us posted on what your group decides to do. Please extend our thanks to your club members for taking the time to provide us with an event to ride that will suit the trailriders as well as the enduro/time keepers.
Paul
Steve,
The gang at the POG meeting last night really liked your plan to run a vintage enduro. I think you can count on a number of Pentons showing up for your event if you decide to go through with it.
Please keep us posted on what your group decides to do. Please extend our thanks to your club members for taking the time to provide us with an event to ride that will suit the trailriders as well as the enduro/time keepers.
Paul
ok guys it looks like we're going to do it. dates won't be confirmed until after dist 11 sanction meeting 11/11/6. we are shooting for the weekend after labor day. i have a course in mind and it will be in zalski state forest and around lake hope. any imput will be helpful classes, rules , etc. i want to invite any previous overall winners to attend for photo's and a special presentation . if anyone knows of any winners and the year they won i'm trying to update our records . you may contact me at
[email protected] or 614 891 1369 or 614 582 7821 thanks for your interest. steve barber Enduro Riders Assoc.
steve barber
Quotequote:Originally posted by chicagojerry
it would be a great event, and to be honest it probably would not be affiliated with ahrma. they really don't have a vintage enduro thing set up. even their isdt reunion ride events are more like a harescrambles than a timekeeping enduro. that being said, there are probably a lot of ahrma guys like myself that are into vintage offroad bikes that would jump at the chance for an event such as this, especially if it doesn't conflict with a series event where we run for points. i'll be there and i'll try to drag as many of my ahrma buddies along as possible. chijer
Jerry,..the ISDT-RR is just what it says,..a 2 day Six day rule enduro.
NOT a HARESCRAMBLE.
(time keeping enduros are the reason why the North Americans can not win the ISDE.)
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hi helmut. i'm aware of the differences these type of events. i have raced all three. isde qualifiers, timekeeping enduros, and harescrambles. my statement was meant to point out that ahrma currently has no facilities that i'm aware of to score a timekeeping enduro. i agree that the USA's inability to score well at six day style events has to do with the fact that our enduros are not like those. that being said, it would still be a fun event, but again it probably would not be affiliated with ahrma but maybe some of those guys would like to ride it anyway. thanks for the post chi jer
i'll be there with 4or 5 more riders ,will the head lights and tail lights and plates be legal? thanks
dennis l.brown
dennis . headlight, taillight , lic plate . look legal thats all we require they don't have to work and tag should be current but i not checking registration to see what it's registerd to . we've got our sanction meeting this sat i will confirm dates and post more info here next week.
steve barber
Steve,
In a previous post you stated you're looking for past results, and winners of the Little Burr Enduro.
I found these in old issues of Cycle News
Columbus, OH. May 27, 1973 - Last years winner Bill Kain retired in the afternoon with throttle problems and Tom Penton crashed after 170 miles and withdrew with a dinged leg. But the hard luck story of the day goes to Jake Fischer (known in some enduro circles as "Crazy Jake") who ran his hour out by getting arrested. It seems that he did'nt stop for a stop sign, and the police arrested him.
Overall winner was "Buzz" Whitlatch.
Since I have the page open and it's handy, here's some class winners as well.
'A' Lightweight: Bill Uhl.
'A' Medium: Phillip Patterson
'A' Light/Heavy: Jack Penton
'A' Heavy: Jim Fogle
Columbus, OH. May 26, 1974 All the National Enduro Champions were here, Ron Bohn, Jack Penton, Doug Wilford, Buzz Whitlatch, Art Blough, Ken Keen, and they all ran into the Little Burr snag. Ron Bohn and Doug Wilford both hit checks early, and Jack Penton got a speeding ticket and lost more than points.
O/A : Dick Burleson
A Lt/Wt: Gary Wood (Pen)
A Lt/Med: Tom Karehbiel (Pen)
A Med/Wt: Tom Penton (Pen)
A Hvy/Wt: Jake Fischer (Hus)
Senior: John Penton (Pen)
Prattsville, OH. May 30, 1976
Overall: Vic Ely (Hon)
A Hi-Point: Jack Penton (Pen)
B Hi-Point: Scott Garnett (Pen)
125 A: Rick Partee (Pen)
175 A: Fred Bierhup (Hon)
250 A: Skip Olson (C-A)
Open A: John Bruch (Yam)
Senior: John Penton (Pen)
Steve, Thanks a million for organizing this vintage run, it's exactly the sort of event I look for most.
Bob Wardlow
Grand Rapids, MI.
thanks bob thats exactly what i'm looking for . i now have a date it will be on sat. sept 8 2007. i will post more info as i get it. Anyone knowing of any past winners please contact me we would like to get them down there for photo's and recognition of their wins.
steve barber
This would be an interesting event. Will it be AHRMA sanctioned ? Also you must see if it conflicts with the ISDTR that will be around that time period. Will there be classes for Vintage as well as Post vintage?
Cher'o,
Dwight
Dwight Rudder
7 time ISDT / E medalist
8 time National Enduro Class Champion.
hi dwight to answer your question i don't think we will be ahrma sanctioned. i think the isdtr is later in oct not sure about that. as far as classes goes i could use some imput from you guys that would be riding it. since this a nonpoints paying event i guess anything is possible. please contact me at 614-891-1369 home or 614-582-7821 cell i would like to talk to some of you guys about this. you can email me with your numbers and i will call you if you would prefer.
[email protected] thanks steve barber enduro riders assoc
steve barber
From what I have been told the ISDTRR will take place on Oct. 26,27,28, 2007. This enduro sounds like a great time and a fun ride.
Thanks Steve for all that you are doing.
Paul
Sounding better all the time. I would though consider making it a AHRMA event. I would suggest a 20mph speed average. Easy to calculate in your head and a 1 mile free section between checkpoints. You could have mile markers on each mile for those who don't have working Odometers. You could get more entries if on the AHRMA Cross country calender. You could also use Start Controls for test sections for less time keeping.
Cher'o,
Dwight
PS: Mental note: Get Jackpiner and Six Day both ready. One for the ISDTR and the other for the Little Burr. :D
Dwight Rudder
7 time ISDT / E medalist
8 time National Enduro Class Champion.
Dwight,
If you need any help on the Six Day let me know....you are on your own on the Jackpiner.[8D]
Ron Carbaugh
Kerrville, Texas
steve, two friends of mine twice won the buddy class on a 360 8 speed husky i'll tell them about the event
dennis l.brown
Dwight: My opinion, let's not turn an Enduro into another ISDT. Time keeping is a part of Enduros, just like riding and just my opinion, we need more Enduros. Steve, put on an Enduro like you guys are so capable of doing. More miles the better! I'll be there with my Puch. Ted Atkinson
What kinda Puch you got?
Keith
Puch 1974/5 MC 175 SD (Six Day). Also have same year MC 125 SD but will be selling it when 175 is done. Do you have a Puch?
yes, a 1973 Factory Sixday 175. Still has the stickers on it from Dalton ISDT. Bunch of one off stuff all over it. It was Bren Moran's bike, he rode it to a silver.
Keith
Keith: Email me at
[email protected]. I have some questions about your Puch. Tried emailing thru POG but they are not going through. Ted
Oh I wish I had seen this discussion before. I have actively tried to get more enduros and two day events included in the AHRMA schedule. We have succeeded in that four years ago there was only one - the ISDTRR. In 2007 there will be five!!! The ISDT Qualifier in Combs, AR on April 21-22, Marion, IL on June 23-24, Evansville, IN on Sept. 8-9, Sugar Camp, WI Oct 6-7, and the ISDTRR in New Blaine, AR on Oct. 27-28. The bad news is that the Evansville one conflicts with the Little Burr as you have it scheduled. Evansville was awesome last year as a one day event. If you could give me more advance warning next time, maybe we can work it in to the AHRMA schedule next year. My goal is to separate the Cross Country and Enduro events from the motocross events so that we can attract a group of vintage/post vintage riders to a national series just for the woods/desert rider. My hope is that many of these will be poggers!!!
Teddy
Ted,
Leave the Little Burr alone. If they want a Vintage Friendly event let them do it. You and AHRMA don't have to be a part of everything Vintage. AHRMA has been real good in that 4 years at messing up fun events. The ISDTRR is a prime example! Ted between you and AHRMA not everybody likes all the RULEIZING. If the Little Burr is an American style enduro AHRMA wouldn't have a clue how to make it run anyway. Stick with making the current AHRMA events more a pain and a scoring nightmare or SLOWMARE and leave some things to just be FUN. You don't have to have your hand in all the bannanas.
Yes I still have hard feelings over being screwed by bean counters and seeing pretend friends enjoy my misfortune. Never really liked it when someone wanted to have a hand in everything or wanted to have ALL the bikes either.
Later, as my brother Ron says, I will tell everyone how I really feel.
Larry P
I feel the same way Larry feels !
Also...
My opinion is there should only be 2 classes -
- Pre 1976
- 1976 & later
Thank you,
Bob Wardlow
hey guys i'm ending this posting and starting a new one titled little burr vintage enduro. thanks for your interest in this one and i hope to see you at the event. thanks steve barber
steve barber