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General Discussion => Penton Talk => Topic started by: Paul Danik on December 31, 2006, 11:20:27 AM

Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Paul Danik on December 31, 2006, 11:20:27 AM
The normal system of tie downs and of using a seal saver block between the tire and fender bottom works well on a lot of bikes. But, if the bike has an aluminum front fender that you wish to not put pressure on with the seal saver, and you do not wish to pull down hard on the forks as the seals and other rubber items are old, how would you secure the bike? I have seen all sorts of wheel chocks and was wondering if any of you have used any of them on a vintage bike for transport and if so how well did they work?  
Thanks
Paul
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: firstturn on December 31, 2006, 11:24:17 AM
Paul,
  I use a short 2 X 4 and am sure to put it on top of the tire and the bolt on area of the fender.  I haven't damaged on yet...I hope this helps.

Ron Carbaugh
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Larry Perkins on December 31, 2006, 11:41:55 AM
Paul,

Call me and give me your address and I will send you what you need.  A guy here builds them for me.  It is a great front wheel secure/chock and would really work great for that situation.  I've got a favor for you too, as payment, though.:D

Larry P
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: firstturn on December 31, 2006, 11:24:17 AM
Paul,
  I use a short 2 X 4 and am sure to put it on top of the tire and the bolt on area of the fender.  I haven't damaged on yet...I hope this helps.

Ron Carbaugh
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Larry Perkins on December 31, 2006, 11:41:55 AM
Paul,

Call me and give me your address and I will send you what you need.  A guy here builds them for me.  It is a great front wheel secure/chock and would really work great for that situation.  I've got a favor for you too, as payment, though.:D

Larry P
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Paul Danik on December 31, 2006, 02:29:17 PM
Thanks Guys,

 Larry,
 
I hope I can afford the payment:D

Paul
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Rain Man on December 31, 2006, 08:32:42 PM
I can blow out a set of seals on these old bikes so GD quick...
 Is it just my rebuilding  techniques, or do these front fork seals just continually blow out every hard ride ???
  Paul, I've never had a problem with the seals leaking while transporting the bike.  I've seen guys use the fork stops before,
 and it seemed like a horse blanket on a cold night.  Its there just to make the owner feel more secure... The horse isent any warmer.  Some times the fork seals hold. and sometimes they dont.
 I know I have fork seal problems, but does anyone else order 12 32mm seals at a pop from Al ??
 the 35mm seem to blow out easy too.
   


Raymond
 Down East Pentons
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Larry Perkins on January 01, 2007, 08:00:42 AM
Raymond,

You are probably also needing to replace your wipers.  Many people replace the seals and use the same wipers that let the dirt get to the seals again.  The remakes of the wipers are not as good as the originals and even when replaced they are often the culprit.  The other possibility is that you are needing new bushings and that play is helping to eat up seals too fast.  I add seal savers besides and use fork savers when strapping down and have little seal troubles.

Larry P
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: conrad2 on January 01, 2007, 08:01:32 AM
Paul, I have had great success using my dog's Kong Toy between the fender and the tire. A Kong toy is a hard rubber, hollow "stack of donuts" looking thing. the narrow part goes up.
I have also used an old , half deflated volleyball.
I have used both of these on my aluminum fender front ends.
Happy New Year.
Conrad

Conrad Pfeifer
1972 Penton Six Days
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Kip Kern on January 01, 2007, 08:50:10 AM
ATK Bike Shoe, holds the front wheel/tire only, keeps the entire bike steady, I place one Ty on the rear in case of an vehicle accident.  Have used them  20 years with no problems.  CIAO
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Paul Danik on January 01, 2007, 09:04:26 AM
Kip,

   I just looked those up and they seem to have a really good concept.  It appears that when you move the one arm back it clamps the other arm down on the tire and holds it forward and down,is that correct?

Thanks
Paul

Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Larry Perkins on January 01, 2007, 11:51:25 AM
Paul,

Yes, you got it.  That is like the one I can send you.

Larry P
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Bob Gilman on January 01, 2007, 11:55:51 AM
Paul,The bike shoe like Kip is talking about is what I use,I have 3 of them in my trailor.Thats what I used to haul the old bikes your talking about.I even have 2 of them on plywood to use in my pickup.Bob
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: tofriedel on January 02, 2007, 09:25:09 AM
OK, now where do you get the ATK Bike Shoe?

Tony
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Bob Gilman on January 02, 2007, 11:40:01 AM
Tony,Chaparral Motorsports is the place I got all mine.They have the best price 69.95  1-800-841-2960 or on line at  //WWW.ChaparralMotorsports.com   Hope this helps.  Bob
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Kip Kern on January 03, 2007, 12:53:14 PM
Raymond  Use the CR seals for resto's and try Leakproof for riders.  The 35mm seals are easy to find but the 32mm are tough to find.  I found a PN for them the other day (google) but can't remember where I put it.  It was from a Italian machine and took the Ceriani 32mm fork!  Getting old!:(
Title: Tying down a fragile machine
Post by: Paul Danik on February 13, 2007, 09:21:28 AM
Thanks to all for their input.  I did buy the bike shoe from Chaparral and it worked perfectly. It holds the machine in place without putting any undo pressure on the fork bellows, seals, metal fender or bracket.

Thanks
Paul