In Ky, '74 Jackpiner project item # 230086373713
In Ohio, '74 Berkshire project item # 230086566730
Yes I have bid on both......;)
Could someone please tell me why we have to have the daily "This is on ebay" report? Here is a miracle of an idea-Each day get on your computer and type in ebay.com. Then type in PENTON in the search box. It is a miracle because most all this stuff will appear. Are you all so busy that you can't watch ebay or Craig's list yourself? Vintage takes a bit of work and if you don't want to put in some effort then it should be someone elses reward. This is not aimed at you Thrownchain your post was just at the top of the list. It just gets as old as "What color is the crevis between the third and fourth frame tube supposed to be?"
Larry P
Thrownchain
Jackpiner?? Berkshire?? I thought you were a Six Day man. Whats up with that?
How many Pentons have you purchased off Ebay? Did you have them shipped or did you pick them up? I'm not real trusting on long distance sales unless I know the seller.
Rod Whitman
Omaha, Nebraska
1972 Six Day (Rider)
1972 Six Day (Project)
Ok guys, sit back and have a cup of coffee.
I put up the post because not every one goes to E bay on a regular basis. I don't go on craigs list very often either, and I sure as hell don't cover the whole country looking for Pentons. So when someone posts one on here, I may not be interested in purchasing the bike but it gives me an idea of the prices that are being asked.
I pulled an ad out of E bay. 81 250 KTM, it would not show up under Penton or KTM, why?, It was in the Maico section. But I figured if someone here was interested in it, I should let them know where it is.
Rod, yes I have 4 six days bikes. 3 off E bay, one off the site. My personal preference is to pay cash on delivery. I've picked two up' and two were delivered at least part way to me.
As for the Berky and Piner, I would like to own at least one of each of the three sizes under 250. So I'd like a Berkshire, a Six Day and a Jackpiner. I've already missed out on a couple of the smaller bikes.
But I'll keep looking. As for long distance buying, I'd trust a fellow POGger alot farther than a regular citizen. Hope this clears up any problems.
Thx Dan "thrownchain"
I also saw the KTM on the maico section of ebay. Wasn't looking for maicos, I was looking for carb parts. I never look at craigslist, enjoy seeing that someone does. Never have bought a bike off of ebay would rather buy them person to person. The only ones I ever had shipped were the two 250 pentons I just bought and I bought them off this site.
Steve Clay
76 250 Penton/73 Harescrambler
76 husky 250 WR
2002 Aprilia Futura
71 Honda Trail 90
Being new to POG, and not having owned a Penton in 35 years, I appreciate the open dialogue and information that is available on the site. It would be nice if only POG members could see the data, especially regarding bikes and parts for sale, not sure if that is possible or practical. I think we all want to buy bikes, or parts for the least amount, and when the number of individuals bidding increases due to the information on the site, the price does go up, but I always have a choice, and that is not to pay more than what I think is fair. The choice for me is this, do I want more "bargains" or more "information", and I choose the information that fellow POG members are willing to share, and if my bid does fall short, or I miss a bargain, then hopefully another POG member is the winner.
Hey thrownchain, thanks for the auction info.
I don't agree with the objections. Where's the harm in at least attempting to keep these exceptional machines in the hands of true fans by making the occassional POG message posting announcing availability? If you're one of those folks who's lucky enough to find that 1 in 100,000 barn deal, and don't desire any outside help, then you probably don't want to click on the message forum that reads, let's say, "E bay Pentons"?[:0]
Was anyone upset over the message announcing the recent surprise auctioning off of old number V 001?[8)]
cowhouse
Just for fun I went to the search area of this site and put in ebay.
You know what I found?? 64 PAGES of postings with some reference to ebay in them. Then for more fun I went back to the first posting it listed, from the year 2000, and guess who's name showed up?
Larry Perkins.
nuff said.
Its a open forum!!:) No one says you have to read all posting.[:0] Just don't not click on it.:( It's that easy !![^] What color is that any how?:(open forum-open forum-open-forum ;);)
Larry, sorry about the jab. This site was put up so people can find information. We've had new people coming to this site and asking where they can find a Penton. We always tell them watch this site and E bay, among others. So if I come here and put up a post that there is a bike on E bay, they are more likely to go there to see it. I'm not telling anyone to buy anything, and if you don't need that info, don't use it.
As for the the joy of the "hunt" for the parts you need, then anyone who looks for a part on this site should be told "happy hunting and good luck". But that's not how it works here, at least for most anyway. People are going to ask for parts, paint codes, tuning specs, and if someone here has the knowledge it will be passed on to them.
And more than likely, more people than just the one who asked may need that info.
There are alot of people that have been on this site alot longer than me, and have helped out numerous people over the years. I'm just trying to carry on that tradition. If you don't need or want my info don't use it, but if you do or know someone that does, by all means help yourself.
It's funny that the minutes of POG meetings always seem to have an E bay update, what was sold and for how much, so E bay indirectly is a part of this group, good or bad it's there.
It's like the membership, some own to show, some to ride, some to race, some own one or two, some a whole garage full, but everybody had to start somewhere. I've been here a little over a year, I've met alot of good people, most on the site, a few in person,[ including Larry] and if someone asked me why I joined I could say it's because of the people in this group, you guys are all helpful and I consider you my friends. Dan[^]
Now I know why my stuff aint moving up. You all can't werk ebay?:-)Opps, forgot the happy face;)
http://tinyurl.com/2qrrjb
Dan, feel free to post my E-Bay bikes and parts on POG.;)
Pakala ;)
I don't know why your stuff ain't movin up, but maybe this will help.
Ebay item # 110086738074 Iron barrel Sachs motor 125/5A if your looking for this item there it is, go for it.[xx(]
Thrownchain and to all concerned especially all new comers to POG. Don't let the negative comments of this one individual discourage any of you from using the vast resources of this site and the good people you will meet here. If you are so inclined, do a search of that praticular persons name you will notice a pattern of negative comments, sarcasm, name calling and even threats of physical violence. (Club any baby seals lately, Larry?)[:X]
Hold up there General, Larry's good people, he just drives on the other side of the question. If this board didn't bring up a controversy once in a while, it would get a little stagnent. We've all got our own opinions, and we're entitled to them. Larry's not wrong and neither am I, or you either. So we move on with our projects and enjoy them the way we want to.
Amen.....
It is a free country and all can do as they please. The difference is I just wanted an explanation of why the constant ebay report? It gets old and I don't know why people can not work a little themselves. Some members want to do no work to find the parts and bikes and also want everything for free. Doesn't seem right.
The things I have posted here for sale on ebay were mine and in my opinion that is what the for sale section should be for. I have probably sold more Penton parts on ebay in the last 7 years than most anybody. I have given loads of advice and revealed many speed secrets to these great machines. There are knowledgeable people that constant repetition bores and therefore they don't post or read as often. That is everyones loss.
General Bay-don't even start with me again. I was not poking at anybody and stated that. I was just trying to understand. You of all people should know if you rattle my bush I will be brutally honest and call a jerk a jerk. The scammers that were plagueing our site that caused the baby seal comment were jerks and good riddance. If you have a problem with me I have told you before I am always willing to settle it. I thought we were done. If you need more I am always available. I have better things to do but would accommodate. It would be easier to be civil but your call.
I have no objection to ebay posting by the seller and I totally understand posting one that is out of place on ebay. I just don't see why they should be posted willy nilly when they can easily be seen on ebay by anyone with a computer with a couple of key punches.
As always you guys can do what you want. It is America. I am just stating my opinion and trying to understand. From the explanations it seems the main reason is to help the lazy. I realize that whatever the reason it is with good intention. I am just telling you that for one long time member it seems redundant. My opinion and if I think it I will usually post it. It might make more sense if everyday every Penton, KTM, and Sachs part that was on ebay was posted here. More severe but perhaps that helps you see my end of it.
Larry P
Larry P
Someone here must be PMSing[xx(]
No. Someone just expressed an opinion about something that bothered them and they were trying to figure out the motivation behind the aggravation. Your comment relates to stupidity and does nothing to solving the issue. That is pretty much Jerky. Perhaps the Lazy comment brought it out of you. Sometimes a duck is a duck. Don't jab unless you expect it back.
Larry P
I don't know if you can call the random posting of E bay items constant or not. It would be ludicris to try to post every Penton item off E bay here. If I see something on E bay that someone here is looking for, I'll post it to help out.
If V 001 had been sold in a more "private setting" than E bay, do you think we could have had the impact on the seller that we did?? It could have disappeared and not be seen again.
Tell you what, if you can get 1/2 the active members to drop me an E mail [that's a majority]and request I not post anymore, then I won't, but until then, I'll use my discretion and post what I think may be relavent to other POGgers. Let them decide if they want it or not.
It seems ludicrous to you for every Penton part to be posted here and I agree. To me having over a dozen bikes posted here just in the last month from ebay and Craig's list is also ludicrous. They are on the computer for anyone to find with ease. Sorry it bothers me it just doesn't seem necessary except to the lazy.
Thrownchain, I tried to let you know the objection I had was not pointed at you, it was just in general. I think you try to help people alot. At least you tried to explain it and that was what I really asked for. So many of you guys don't try to explain the other side you just get all defensive when anyone doesn't like the direction the POG site has gone. It frustrates me from time to time and I am just vocally honest. I am not the type that loves something so much that I am delusional enough to believe all is peachy keen.
I realize I frustrate and piss off other members with my questioning from time to time. The knowledge of that would never make me just be a sheep and be quiet if I think things are not as good here as once was. Don't take me wrong in so many ways the POG site is FAR better than several years ago but there are bad parts too. The repetive questions that come that could easily be searced on the website and this issue of easily found merchandise and bikes are just two of those bad parts. I have worked hard at most everything I ever accomplished in life and never like it when I think the lazier get an easier ride.
So I get miffed by this and when I say anything about it or question it there are those that get defensive and don't try to explain their point of view. It is an easy fix of course. I can totally ignore those posts but knowing lazy people are reaping the same rewards as ones that hustle will still bother me.
So the real fix is me not visiting here so I am not irratated and you guys get to do it in the way that makes you happier. The only bad part to that is in all reality I need some of you guys more than you need me, but for all concerned I will have to live with that. I did it once before and all would have been fine for all but I got very sick and I needed your company. I will try to stay well and you guys try to have fun. It is easy when no one questions anything and Pentons are involved. Like my Mom always says, Have the very best of lives!
Larry Perkins
4 TIME NATIONAL CHAMPION ON THE MOTORCYCLE
8 TIME STATE CHAMPION ON THE MOTORCYCLE
NBL NATIONAL BMX CHAMPION
UCI WORLD CUP BMX CHAMPION
USA TEAM MEMBER WORLD DOWNHILL CHAMPIONSHIP
13 TIME STATE CHAMPION ON THE BICYCLE
I don't care if you agree or disagree with Larry, you just gotta love this guy's brutally straightforward way of doing business! I'm having a hard time typing because I'm chuckling to myself so much!
Larry, don't stop frequenting the POG site...you are a wealth of knowledge, experience, technical know-how, parts, etc. POG needs guys like you here. The evilBay and Craigslist references seem to be made with the best of intentions...to keep Penton stuff "in the family"...certainly not to tee anyone off.
OK, play nice now!
Jeff DeBell
Thank you Larry for being honest and for being the person you are..a Great Friend. This is a open forum and I am alays happy to see your posts. I hope you are recovering from the dollar loss of you home and business during the recent Winter Storm. You are in my Prayers.
Ron Carbaugh
I like seeing the Ebay posts. If it is about a bike I have seen, I move on.
I also like to hear from Larry. This is the spice that makes things interesting. I would prefer avoiding the resurfacing of the old dirt. Larry has stated pointed opinions, but the dirt in the past became childish and malicious. Just my opinion.
Downeast Pentons- Central Division
Yankee ingenuity tells me the more time I spend on this computer, looking at e bay items, reading posts from fella Poggers and answering E-mails>>> and putting in my 2cents worth, is equal to less time I have rebuilding another Penton Crank, also training for the up coming riding season,(I'm ready) or studying prints and schematics and decifering "how the heck does this thing go back together" and run,.. correctly.
Time seems of a very precious commodity lately, and this computer.. it can eat up all kinds of time, especially "rebuilding time"
and most important, the invested time that dosen't cause you any unneeded stress or undue duress. (oh [:0] my heart)
Have you spent any of your free time wrenching your penton this Weekend ??
As Larry states, The vintage ride "it don't come easy" and there are many of us Poggers that spend countless hours rebuilding these 35 yo left in the weather, beaten and neglected.... Pentons.
My bikes are ready to ride/race/ and display,
are yours?
Raymond
Down East Pentons
Ray and whoever else needs to know, no I haven't wrenched on my Penton recently. Due to a change in my employment status, which is also why I couldn't make the Ohio meeting, I've been trying to get the "jap" projects built and sold so I have some money to play with. I 'm also in the parts gathering, and information gathering stage. That way when I do start, I can go from start to finish with hopefully not too many side trips. I hope to have at least one ready for M/O and would like to possibly bring two. Hell I may bring one just to ride around the grounds. To all the people in the North East, stay warm, and we''ll see you down the trail. Dan
Larry, I consider you my friend and it was a pleasure to finally to meet you in M.O.As thay say"I like your style"There is no guessing with you!:D
Thomas Carmichael
1970 125 Six Day
1976 250 Hare Scrambler
Larry,
I just thought you might be having a BAD day..since I saw that you jumping on some other poor fool for posting in the wrong section..but you need to refrain from that rambling on and calling people names..oh and by the way..I jab pretty good..while I can't compare to your motorcycling & bmx championships:
4 TIME NATIONAL CHAMPION ON THE MOTORCYCLE
8 TIME STATE CHAMPION ON THE MOTORCYCLE
NBL NATIONAL BMX CHAMPION
UCI WORLD CUP BMX CHAMPION
USA TEAM MEMBER WORLD DOWNHILL CHAMPIONSHIP
13 TIME STATE CHAMPION ON THE BICYCLE
I do have one that I'm proud of:
1979 U.S. Army Light Heavy Weight Boxing Champion, FT. Jackson - Columbia,South Carolina:D
Thrown,
You are more than welcome to post ebay listings on here. The beauty of the message board is that Larry can easily choose not to read "Ebay" topics.
For those of you that are unfamiliar with Larry's rants, negativity, and name calling, as well as his oscillating view of Ebay postings, I encourage you to search the message board and form your own opinion. Here's a great example from as recent as 5 months ago to get you started:
http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6833&SearchTerms=ebay
Kent Knudson
I remember reading that post, made for a fun conversation.
Thanks for the support. Dan
Pakala. I see your motor is moving on up.......