Hellow Poggers, just added to my collection a nice 73 Yellow Tank H/S, frame # 54-309 the eng # 3-5401174, clock reads 7/73, our site info states these were made from 6/73 to 10/73, are there any figures on how many were produced ?? thanks, Mike Gallagher
Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ. - 70 + 71, 125 Steel Tankers, 72, 73, 74, 125-6 Day's, 73 Jackpiner, 73 Yellow Tank 250 H/S
I would be interested also. I just picked up frame # 5430766817.Also does anyone know if these were like the later ones that came in MX trim & then added enduro trim at the dealership?
Bob Jones
Show-me state
74 Harescrambler,72 Jackpiner,69 6-Day
Mike and Bob,
Thanks for doing this research on the yellow Hare Scrambler. My frame numer is 54 30666440.
My engine numer is 3-5400341 with the clock reading 3/73 On the left engine case is stamped just 341, possibly this engine was the 341st one built and yours was the 1174th one built. I think the engine numbers will give us a better indication as to how many of these were built as the frames were stamped on the line and all of the different models were apparently mixed into the production cycle.
I bought my bike from the original owner and it has the original fenders on it and they are plastic. The medal ones must have only been on the really early ones.
In a dealer price sheet dated 2/15/75 it shows the 250 Penton Hare Scrambler MX dealer cost at $1,345.00 and enduro at $ 1,1410.00, the enduro kit dealer cost apparently was $ 65.00 I will look for a dealer price sheet from closer to the yellow Hare Scrambler time frame later.
On a price list dated 5/10/76 there is a large notice that reads, " THERE ARE NO MORE ENDURO KITS ".
Thanks
Paul
My engine is #3-4500319. The clock is 3/73. So going by engine #'s might be the most accurate. My fenders are plastic but I'm sure they are not stock.Thanks
Bob Jones
Show-me state
74 Harescrambler,72 Jackpiner,69 6-Day
Bob,
It looks like you may have the 319th Hare Scrambler built, or at least the 319th black 250cc KTM serial production engine. I would think your Hare Scrambler would be considered a 1973.
Hopefully we can get a few more of the numbers from some of the other Hare Scramblers still in circulation.
Paul
Mike,
The engine in My 311 frame dated early 74 red tank Hare scrambler 250 silver case engine is 3-5401964 and has a clock date of 10/73. Since November was considered the first month of the Red tank Hare scrambler, that would put 250 engine production prior to the red tank 74 version somwhat less than 1964. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Just another note, our site states some engines came with an unpainted cylinder, this is how mine came. Paul D. and Michael W. i guess the engine #'s are what we have to work with unless someone else has more input ?? Anyone that has a Yellow Tanker that can help please chime in, thanks all.
Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ. - 70 + 71, 125 Steel Tankers, 72, 73, 74, 125-6 Day's, 73 Jackpiner, 73 Yellow Tank 250 H/S
Mike,
Even if more people could chime in with an earlier 74 Red tank 250 HS engine number than mine, we could narrow the production number down some. I wonder if spare engines produced for replacement/over the counter sale would also fall into the total units produced during the gold tank production run, and reduce the actual bike total. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
My 73 has a frame # 54 30967709 and the engine clock says 7/73. but the engine case numbers are different that what I'm seeing on your bikes. My engine number is shown as
54 30 003 010. Am I looking at something wrong? Skip
Skip Page
Tucson, AZ
Skip, hi, the # you have there appears to be a parts casting #, i got my # from the right side of the motor just below the cylinder near the front motor mount, look there and see what you have, thanks, Mike
Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ. - 70 + 71, 125 Steel Tankers, 72, 73, 74, 125-6 Day's, 73 Jackpiner, 73 Yellow Tank 250 H/S
Thanks Mike. I found the numbers, they are 3-5401848. Skip
Skip Page
Tucson, AZ
Does anyone have, or know of a 73 Yellow tank 250 HareScrambler after engine # 3-5401848, or a Red tank 250 HareScrambler before # 3-5401964 to help narrow down the list? Thanks, Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
i have a red tanker. motor # 3-5401725. the motor is silver but i can tell that the head was painted silver over the black and it looks like it came from the factory that way also, when i split the cases,i noticed that it had the old style cam type shift drum. frame # is 5 431169147 chi jer
a guy i know has another red tank 74 very similar to mine. i'll try to get his #'s too... chi jer
Skip,
Is your bike a Yellow or Red tank bike?
My engine # 3-5401964 is all silver with the later style shift drum and round style clutch cover. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Yellow MX tank, Mike
I can send you some pictures tomorrow if you would like to see the entire bike. Skip
Skip Page
Tucson, AZ
Skip,
I would love to see the pics. Mike
[email protected]Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Mike
Sorry I didn't get a chance to send any pictures today. I was buried at work and all the pictures are on the computer there. I'll try to get some out tomorrow. Here's one to wet your appetite. (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h149/rpage11/DCP_1208.jpg)
And another bike I just got last week. I know it's not a Penton, but it's pretty sweet.
82 Honda CB 900F Super Sport w/ 3000 miles.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h149/rpage11/honda_05.jpg)
Skip
Skip Page
Tucson, AZ
Very nice, in both cases! I especially like the vintage class white number plates. I will be out of town until Sunday night or Monday working at the Knoxville TN. Corvette show. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Michael,
If you are into Corvetts, did you happen to catch the series "The Last Sting Ray" on the Speed Channel?
Paul
Paul,
Unfortunately, I only have regular TV channels and slow dial up internet, so I'm out of luck on that. Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S
Mike
The white plates with the black accent strip was Carbaugh's idea. I think he hit that one on the head. Skip
Skip Page
Tucson, AZ
Skip, you have a problem its called a 12 step program not a 12 bike program.
All in all pretty sweet lookin' rides.
Rod Whitman
Omaha, Nebraska
1972 Six Day (Rider)
1972 Six Day (Project)
Rod
I'm only to 9. Does that mean I can get 3 more before I'm at the top? I was only thinking of one or two more, but now that I know there's a 12 step program before you get there, I'll have to start working a little harder. Any directions would be much appreciated. '66 441 Victor Special anyone? Skip
Skip Page
Tucson, AZ
Skip:
Very nice Harescrambler.....someone did excellent work on that one !
Hope my current one turns out that nice !
Victor Monz
Quotequote:Originally posted by VICTOR MONZ
Skip:
Very nice Harescrambler.....someone did excellent work on that one !
Hope my current one turns out that nice! Being that Marc B. is restoring it also.
Victor Monz
Victor
I believe this one came through Ron, via California. You did a beautiful job and it's been alot of fun. Guess where the 175 end up? Ron kept coming through town with all these new/old bikes. Hope to meet some day. Skip
Skip Page
Tucson, AZ
You ended up with a nice pair of bikes...I finally found the title for the Jackpiner. E-mail me your address and I will send it to you.
Enjoy the machines...Marc and I put a lot of "Penton Love" in our efforts...lots of brainstorming and plain old fun, talking about how fast we were when we were younger...the older I get the faster I was !
See you,
Victor