Penton Owners Group

Hello,
I'm Maurizio and I live in Rome. My english isn't very good, excuse me. I'm 49 years old and when I was a boy I had
a ktm 250. But the genesis of Ktm  is Penton, so three years ago I bought a Penton six days 125 1970.
This is my Penton when I bought it:

(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7908/pentongreentankeq0.jpg)

And this is my penton after a conservative restoration:

(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1043/p1010055lu4.jpg)

(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2406/p1010028gv7.jpg)

I have a doubt about the taillight (Hella): is it original?

(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8292/p0031dz7.jpg)

Today I talked with Paul Danik and I'm  happy to know now a driver of the Penton Trophy team at Camerino.
Greetings from Rome
Maurizio

Thats a beutiful Penton you have there Maurizio, welcome to the Penton Owners Group.[8D]  Thanks for posting the pictures of your bike.

Raymond
 Down East Pentons

Maurizio,
Welcome to the Penton Owners' Group board. I am one of John Penton's nephew's, and I was on the Penton Trophy Team in Camerino as well.

That tail light was used as an original light on the Pentons, but I can't tell you exactly what years.

Dane

Hi Rain Man, thanks for compliments.

Hi Dandk, are you Dane Leimbach?

Maurizio,

    Welcome to the Penton Owners Group message board, I am sure I speak for many when I say we are really happy to have you be a part of this group.  

 Dane is in fact Dane Leimbach and you will see several others who rode the ISDT in Camerino on this message board.

   Please tell us a little about your Penton and where you ride.  Are there groups who ride the vintage bikes in Italy?  Are there many Pentons?

Thanks
Paul

   

Maurizio:

Welcome to a great group of Penton Owners....you wouldn't happen to know the outfit in Italy which remanufactures the pipes and such...I am in need of a 73 250 Harescrambler original pipe and don't seem to have any luck getting in contact with them to see about a purchase.

Any assitance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Victor Monz

Maurizio,
 Here is a link to the Penton/KTM site Victor is asking about.
  http://tinyurl.com/s4fkj
 Oh yes,and welcome to the group of POG!!
              Paul(socal)

Hello Maurizio where is the Penton/KTM shop located that manufactures all the parts. I will be in Italy and Croatia this summer and would like to visit the shop Thank You ed

69 Penton 125         75 Honda MR175        76 Hercules gs175      72-73 Penton prjcts

Hi Paul, I think there are about one hundred Penton bikes in Italy. There is a Vintage National Championship in Italy, it is named GR5. Our message boards are:
http://rugginose.forumfree.net/
//www.soloenduro.it (only "epoca" sections here)

Hi Victor, don't warry, I'll help you. What's the number of the article you want in this link?
http://www.pillondorino.com/HomePage.htm

Hi Fosterboy, the Mr Dorino Pillon's Penton/KTM shop is in Vicenza:
http://maps.google.it/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Vicenza&hl=it

Maurizio:

I am inquiring about the following exhaust pipe;

ARTICOLO 43  Marmitta COMPLETA con terminale per KTM 250 tipo "giallo"

It is for a 1973 KTM/Penton Harescrambler with a Gold/Yellow Tank and I need the complete pipe including the bracket which attaches to the end of the frame.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Cost to supply, delivery cost to Southern California and delivery schedule and time to supply schedule are questions I could use your help on.

Thanks.

Victor

Hi Victor,
tomorrow morning I'll give Mr Dorino Pillon a ring.
Maurizio

Maurizio,
You may be of assistance as translator to members here in need of KTM stripes and decals, as made by Paolo "FrankZappa". Here are samples: http://rugginose.forumfree.net/?t=12666410 .

I've used Alta-BabelFish.com to translate, which worked fine, and Paolo's stripes and decals are priced right as well as good quality, he takes PayPal and is a very nice guy to boot. His e-mail is [email protected]



Jon McLean
Lake Grove, OR

Thanks Maurizio, I would be very happy to hear the results.

Victor

Hi Big Mac,
Franzkappa is my dear friend, he has a lot of ktm\penton original used spare parts. Franzkappa don't speak english, so if you need  you can contact me and I'll help you.

Thank You Maurizio I wish I had known of this shop before I would have dropped by I went to the last two UCI World Road Race Championships in Verona and do enjoy the Northern Section of Italy. Ed

69 Penton 125         75 Honda MR175        76 Hercules gs175      72-73 Penton prjcts

Hi Fosterboy,  Franzkappa hasn't a shop, but he is a vintage ktm fan like us (he is crazy for '70-'80 ktm, he has about one hundred old ktm).  If you need same  spare parts ('70-'80 years), you tell me and I'll say it to Franzkappa. I asked him for Victor's pipe too, he has that pipe but he doesn 't sell it. I bought from him many spare parts for my ktm 125 model year 1976.

Victor,
for the complete pipe (articolo 43) with the bracket (articolo 61) the price is 400 euro. The shipping cost  with insurance is about 150 euro for a 10 kg package (I don't know the exact weight of the pipe).
The pipe is ready.
Maurizio

Maurizio:  Hello and welcome to the POG.  I am in need of a set of front fork rubber boots for my 1969 Penton.  They are the Ceriani style that cover all of the fork tube from the leg to the stem.  Yours has the short cover but the ones I need are accordian style and about 8" long.  Do you know of a source?  Thank you, Ted Atkinson

I move that Al Buehner gets together with Paolo "FrankZappa" and maybe with Dorino Pillon and becomes distributor for all the KTM-branded and related stuff that Al doesn't carry.

Sure, it may be a sin to mix KTM-branded stuff with a Penton Parts supplier, but then again I think lots of us have late 70's/early 80's KTMs, as extensions of Penton interests, and it didn't seem to offend any Penton-KTM dealers back in the day to evolve with the brand.

Plus, it's easiest via Al and would rather support him to ensure he stays in business for years to come for all the good he does. Can I get a 2nd on that? Go Al.

Jon McLean
Lake Grove, OR

Maurizio:

I appreciate your efforts and information.  I am considering the pipe purchase and wonder how we can go forward, if I choose to go with it.

I am meeting with my local welder to check about what fixing up my pipe will be...I calculate about $720 US or so if I buy ine from Italy.

I will do some thinking and budget review and get back to you.

I truely appreciate your effort and will decide shortly.

Victor

I would love to have Al able to purchase items from PILLON DORINO, but I suspect that the strength of the Euro plus freight, duties, etc. and then add a profit margin of X percent would put items beyond the prices most are willing to pay.

Given the prices Mau10 was quoted on a pipe at 400 Euros + freight comes to $722.  Add in duties, etc. & profit, puts you at $800+.  Now add in inventory costs & money tied up in parts for some extended time and the price goes higher.  Pipes for $800 - $900 are worth more than a lot of bikes that need them.

At those prices I would think we could interest a manufacturer in the US to produce these items.  I doubt that a manufacturer is willing to produce parts to be readily available. But, there are pipe fabricators in the US that do reproduce pipes only with a minimum quantity order.

No offense to anyone, just my manufacturing/engineering mind at work.

Tony

Hey Poggers,

We also need to look at the Continent East of California for parts. The exchange rate is currently in our favor, and the cfaftsmanship is second to non.

marc

I think Mr Pillon's pipes are too expensive, he takes undue advantage of our passion.
Maurizio

Correction: Continent West of California!

marc

My employer has such a contact and is currently working on KTM 250 clutch plates and a couple of other items of interest for me. My problem is getting a good enough sample to reproduce in the first place. Items like MC5 pipe silencers and rear shrouds with tips would be easy to make and cheap after tooling costs, if there is a need. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S

I was thinking more Buehner Supply stocking some of the array of KTM-branded decals and tank stick-ems, seat covers, etc needed for restorations. Costs about $7 a pop and 3 weeks waiting for mailing from Italy, after you get around the language barrier. Cost from Paolo is comparable (sometimes less) than similar stuff from the US. Would guess he'd sell a small suitcase-full to Al at wholesale to leave some retail profit in there.

Jon McLean
Lake Grove, OR

If you want, I can ask Franzkappa the list of the decals prices.
Franzkappa's decals are very cheap but very good.
Maurizio

Quotequote:Originally posted by t20sl

Maurizio:  Hello and welcome to the POG.  I am in need of a set of front fork rubber boots for my 1969 Penton.  They are the Ceriani style that cover all of the fork tube from the leg to the stem.  Yours has the short cover but the ones I need are accordian style and about 8" long.  Do you know of a source?  Thank you, Ted Atkinson

Ted,
I cannot help you, sorry. I don't know where to find the
front fork rubber boots for a 1969 Penton.
Maurizio

Maurizio,

   After the opening ceremony for the 1974 ISDT in Camerino, a number of us Team Penton riders were walking around and talking with other riders when an Italian rider came up to me and seemed interested in my Team USA outfit.  He had on a rather interesting jacket and we decided to trade.  I still have his jacket and it has a club name and logo on it.  It says, Costa Volpino Moto Club, have you ever heard of that club?

Thanks
Paul

Quotequote:Originally posted by Paul Danik

Maurizio,

   After the opening ceremony for the 1974 ISDT in Camerino, a number of us Team Penton riders were walking around and talking with other riders when an Italian rider came up to me and seemed interested in my Team USA outfit.  He had on a rather interesting jacket and we decided to trade.  I still have his jacket and it has a club name and logo on it.  It says, Costa Volpino Moto Club, have you ever heard of that club?

Thanks
Paul

Paul,
the great champion of the Costa Volpino Team Carlo Rinaldi  died the last week. Probably he was the italian rider you met.
http://www.motoclubcostavolpino.it/
Maurizio

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5669/gruppohl6.jpg)

Maurizio,

    I am saddened to hear of the loss of Carlo. I would like to send you the jacket so you can do what is proper with it, maybe it will bring some cheer in a time of sadness.  Please send me your address at my email and I will ship the jacket to you.  [email protected]
   

    I looked in my program from Camerino and see that Carlo rode an Ossa 250, he also rode an Ossa 250 in the 1973 USA event, he won a gold medal in the USA, do you know how he did in Camerino?

Paul

:D:D:D Very nice gesture Paul ..........BT

Brian Taylor

Paul,
it's a fine action,  the "rugginose" forum members will resolve what to do with the jacket. Carlo is riding his Ossa in the clouds now
Maurizio

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7188/rinaaf4he8.png)

Hey Mau, benvenuto sul sito del POG (welcome on POG website)e complimenti per il successo ottenuto dalla moto e dai Tuoi scritti ( and best wishing for the success of your bike pics and your writing notes). Credo che Tu mi abbia letto anche su rugginose, Ti avevo risposto riferendomi al Falk giallo ( I believe you read my post also on the rugginose web, where I answered you about a question regarding a yellow Falk fender). Ciao.
Paolo (an Italian in USA)(Penton Jackpiner and Harescrambler)

Paolo,
ho sempre apprezzato i tuoi interventi su rugginose  (I have always appreciated your participations on "rugginose" message board), in particolare le tue foto dei raduni Penton (in particular your photos of the Penton meetings).  La Penton six days è la preferita del mio harem, è sempre stata la mia moto preferita, così, quando è capitata l'occasione, ho deciso di acquistarla in meno di due minuti (the Penton six days is the bike I prefer so when I saw it I bought it in a moment).
Adesso sto restaurando una monark, ho chiesto l'iscrizione al sito sulle monark,ma non ho avuto risposta. Mi servirebbero gli adesivi e le guance in gomma del serbatoio e magari anche il codice colore del giallo monark, ma purtoppo il gestore del sito, che tra l'altro ha le sue moto pubblicate sull'ultimo numero di VMX, non mi caga proprio (I'm restoring a Monark now, I need of the decalcs and the knee pads and the yellow monark color code too, but the vintagemonark message board's administrator, his bikes are on Vmx magazine, doesn't answer me) .
Maurizio

Paul,
I spoke with the Carlo's friends and  they wish that the jacket remains in US in memorial of Carlo, because he loved US very much.
Maurizio

Maurizio,

   Very well.  If later they decide differently my offer still stands.

Take care,
Paul

Ok Paul,
they are deeply touched by your gesture and they thank you for it.
Maurizio

Penton six days 125 1970

TO: MAU10...

My name is Mark Holloway and I see from you post, you're having a hard time reaching me. The reason is that my mail servers are set to reject all mail from Italy due to the high volume of SPAM that comes from there. What I will do next week is open up ITALY to enable my mail servers to receive messages from Italy. Send your message to [email protected]. Sorry for the inconvenience. I'm always fighting spam and currenly only allow mail from the US, Australia, England, Germany and of course, Sweden. :)

Best Regards,

Mark Holloway

Hi Mark, I reach the king of 125 finally!  vintagemonark.com is very cool.   Frankly, vintagemonark.com is fantastic.  I like monark very much and I bought a monark and  I'm restoring it now.  Thanks,   Maurizio

Penton six days 125 1970

Carlo Rinaldi at the 1973 ISDT. Photos on 9-20-1973 Day four.

(http://www.pentonusa.org/forum_images/misc/Carlo_Rinaldi_1.jpg) (http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/)

(http://www.pentonusa.org/forum_images/misc/Carlo_Rinaldi_2.jpg) (http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/)

Way to go Paul, I am not sure that I would have done that,  but I hope that I would do the same given I was in your shoes.
Nice pictures too, I am in awe of anyone who is tough enough to ride a ISDT...... you guys rock!

Thom Green,Still crazy after all these years!
76' 250 MC5 (orginal owner)
75' GS400 (finished project bike)
72'sixday (project bike)

It is almost 35 years since we rode across that swamp on those pallets, but I sure do remember that section.  I rode on number 81 in that event, much earlier than Carlo.  Carlo overcame this situation and still won a Gold Medal, great job.

Paul

Quotequote:Originally posted by Admin

Carlo Rinaldi at the 1973 ISDT. Photos on 9-20-1973 Day four.

(http://www.pentonusa.org/forum_images/misc/Carlo_Rinaldi_1.jpg) (http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/)

(http://www.pentonusa.org/forum_images/misc/Carlo_Rinaldi_2.jpg) (http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/)

I am very proud that Carlo rode my "WHITE OSSA SDR" at the US ISDT.
Looks like he had very good taste.:)
Speedy--------->>>>>>>>>>

Helmut"Speedy"Clasen
 Ontario Canada
http://speedy_c.tripod.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/vindurospeedy
2 x Sachs MC-GS 250-7A
1 x Hercules 350-7A 77
2 x Hercules 250-7A 76
2 x Hercules 250-7A 77
Zuendapp 125 GS 72-73

Quotequote:Originally posted by Paul Danik

It is almost 35 years since we rode across that swamp on those pallets, but I sure do remember that section.  I rode on number 81 in that event, much earlier than Carlo.  Carlo overcame this situation and still won a Gold Medal, great job.

Paul

Paul,..I had it a bit easier with my little Zuendapp 125 GS.
Interesting to see at the picture,what "STILL YOUNG CARLO" did wrong.?
Instaed to lift the rear wheel first,using the steeringhaed as a pivotpoin,to place the rear on solid ground,and then lift the front wheel out,...
But he was young and the adrenalin was pumping,...;)


Helmut"Speedy"Clasen
 Ontario Canada
http://speedy_c.tripod.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/vindurospeedy
2 x Sachs MC-GS 250-7A
1 x Hercules 350-7A 77
2 x Hercules 250-7A 76
2 x Hercules 250-7A 77
Zuendapp 125 GS 72-73

Quotequote:Originally posted by Speedy

Quotequote:Originally posted by Paul Danik

It is almost 35 years since we rode across that swamp on those pallets, but I sure do remember that section.  I rode on number 81 in that event, much earlier than Carlo.  Carlo overcame this situation and still won a Gold Medal, great job.

Paul

Paul,..I had it a bit easier with my little Zuendapp 125 GS.
Interesting to see at the picture,what "STILL YOUNG CARLO" did wrong.?
Instaed to lift the rear wheel first,using the steeringhaed as a pivotpoin,to place the rear on solid ground,and then lift the front wheel out,...
But he was young and the adrenalin was pumping,...;)


Helmut"Speedy"Clasen
 Ontario Canada
http://speedy_c.tripod.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/vindurospeedy
2 x Sachs MC-GS 250-7A
1 x Hercules 350-7A 77
2 x Hercules 250-7A 76
2 x Hercules 250-7A 77
Zuendapp 125 GS 72-73

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/399/helmutzuendapp72vx6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Helmut"Speedy"Clasen
 Ontario Canada
http://speedy_c.tripod.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/vindurospeedy
2 x Sachs MC-GS 250-7A
1 x Hercules 350-7A 77
2 x Hercules 250-7A 76
2 x Hercules 250-7A 77
Zuendapp 125 GS 72-73