Hey Poggers,
Is there any interest in me having more Sachs rod kits made up? If I can get a commitment for 100 pcs., the cost per kit would be very reasonable. We have run them hard in our motors and have incurred no failures.
Thanks
marc biro
I'm sure they'll be needed at some point. The one I got from you has performed well. I'm sure I'll need another in the future. I have a Woodsman motor to find and probably rebuild.
Lew Mayer
Marc,
I will need one for the A engine. If the ones you have made work in both A and B put us down for 2 kits.
John & Peter D.
How much ?
Dwight
Hi Dwight,
I'm thinking about $45-50 per kit but the Poggers would need to commit to at least 60 kits.
marc
Marc, Put me down for 2. Thanks,
Ernie P.
Chattanooga, TN
Hi Marc,
At around $50. I'd take 2 kits.
RonW
I'd be interested in a kit for the A engine. By the way what exactly is in the kit?
Thanks,
Jerry
1972 125 Six Day
CRF150
CRF230
CRF450X
They will come with a rod, lower bearing, 2 copper thrust washers and the lower pin. They will be exactly like the last batch I had made which featured an 'I' style beam.
Thanks guys!
Marc
Marc I think there will be quite a demand for the kits. I am currently having trouble getting correct kits from Euro Rod for the "A" and "B" cranks. The rods are the same but the lower pin is different, there seems to be a "hold up" getting the pins sorted out. I would be interested in a few kits for each style myself. Also, I just ran into a problem with a customers "B" Euro Rod that was manufactured too thick at the base as it would scrape the edge of the cases when rotating. I would probably take 1/2 doz kits each depending on the price/quality. Thanks for sticking your neck out and taking the bull by the horns! Wish we could do the same with KTM clutch plates but my funds are running low from funding plastic/rubber stuff/gasket manufacture. Take Note, No KTM175/125/250/400 clutch plates are available at this time!
Marc;
The kits you made were "A" kits and worked perfect in "A" engines. But, the base of the rod was to fat to clear the cases of the "B" @ "D" engines plus the rod pin was not long enough. It did work on the "B" crank but it is much more difficult to press together evenly. I really don't like to complain,as you have done all of us a great service and it is appreciated. I am hoping your next order could correct these problems.
Doug, when you say "Hitting The cases, B and D models" are you refering to a set of stuffed cases, or are you talking about hitting the cases on the bottom. I'm confused.
I have two rods from the last batch, and intended to use them on another B stuffed case engine, and on a D model regular engine. Thank you in advance.
Dirk Williams
Dirk;
I am refering to the "B' and "D" cases near the opening to the cylinder hole. When Sachs went to the "B" engine they reduced the size of the Crank slabs and made a web to take up the space inside the crank area. The rod hits the case shoulder on the up stroke rear. With out a piston there is no problem as the rod can move forward. Center the wrist pin hole on the up stroke and you will see what I mean. I have been using a dye grinder to take about an 1/8" off that shoulder. It only hits the right case half. I am sure on the "D" cases ( I haven't done a "D" case) you may have to take out more material to clear the case.
Doug
Doug,
Thanks for explaining how the RH side of case on the B motor needs to be relieved slightly before installing the rod kit. A very simple procedure that anyone can do.
I use the 'shorter' pin included with the kit in all the A and B motors I build, and have experienced ZERO failures. But, for those wishing to install the longer pin in the B motr, it would raise the price of the kit by $10.00.
Doug, I certainly respect your honest input and consider you the best Sachs motor guy out there, so I'm all ears to your replies!
marc
Marc ,
We will still go for 2 kits. If you get both long and short made up , one of each. If all are A kits we will take 2 just the same.
Thanks for the help ,
John & Peter D.
John,
Your down for 2.
Just need to get commitments of about 50 more kits.
Marc
Marc,
Put me down for two. Happy Thanksgiving.
Ron Carbaugh
I can attest to the rod kits being just fine....the new "D" motor for my '08 125 cc has one and it will be put to the test this year.
I even have a couple hidden away in my "safety deposit box" !
VM
Marc-I'll need at least 2 to start with-is there a number of kits where a price break kicks in-10,12,20,25?????probably 10 would have me set for life but you never know.Thanks,Ric
ric emmal
Ric,
100 rod kits is their minimum.
marc
Ric,
Sorry, misinterpreted what you were asking. I can appreciate your request, but at the price I would be selling them to the Poggers for, there would be no price break. The only way it could happen is if I were to place an order for 200 rod kits. Even at that it would only reduce the Poggers cost 5% to 7%.
marc
Marc Biro,
In 2007, you left a message on POG about having produced some rod pins of quality? Are you still producing A and B sachs engine rod pins? I could use a few.
Let us know.
peter klinck
Peter,
All the pins and rod kits are gone.
Marc
Hi all,
for all 6 speed Sachs-crankshafts we can recommend the Mazzucchelli-conrod sets from Italy with silver case bearing. Excellent quality and very low price (50 EUR). The similar conrod sets from Fu Kung, Taiwan are too soft on the pin surface and the lower bearing provides less needles than the original FAG conrod kit being produced for F&S. We've the Mazzucchelli in our internal shop for our club members.
If you want we can combine an order for you.
Best regards
Guenther Vogt,
Hercules Club, Germany
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URL: http://www.herculesig.de
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Guenther, Do you offer both the "A" and "B" Sachs rod kits? (Same rod but different lower pins) Can these kits be purchased by PayPal? Thank You for the help
Poggers,
I bought 2 rod kits from Marc Biro the last time he had them made up. I never ended up using them and sold all of my 125cc stuff. If anybody is interested in the rod kits, drop me a line. Cheers. :D
Mike H.
Tulsa
seapupsan at aol.com
Sorry, wrong forum.[:I]
Put me down for one kit for a B motor
Mickey Sergeant
Hi all,
the conrod kits are all the same. The only difference is if it's 5 or 6 Speed crankshaft. These Italian kits fit perfect on the 6 speed.
They also fit on the 5 speed, but the lower pin is a bit to long.
After pressing of the crankshaft you'll have to shorten the pin.
If you want to order please contact me via email on herculesig[at]aol.com
Best regards
Guenther Vogt,
Hercules Club, Germany
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Hercules-Interessengemeinschaft e.V.
URL: http://www.herculesig.de
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Poggers,
I am on the road with work so it will be Saturday before I can look at the rod kit boxes to see if they are for A or B motors. If there was a choice years ago when Marc made them up, I can't remember which I got but I would assume they are for the B motor. I'll check. Sorry about the confusion. Cheers.
Mike H.
Tulsa
seapupsan at aol.com
For what it's worth, Andre Horvath has Sachs A and B rod kits listed on his site. I've had good luck with Andre on other items in the past.
http://www.enduroklassiker.at/artikel/?mid=99&cat=11&sort=
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Poggers,
I have had many dealings with Guenther Vogt. He is a wonderful person and a great friend. If you order from him you WILL receive your product.
Donny Smith
Paragould, AR
Hi Knute,
if I look close to the pictures in Andre's shop his conrod kits seems to be supplied by Mazzuchelli too. He claims 155 EUR for the kit and we from the Hercules club Germany 45 EUR. Looks like we're to cheap. :D Just kidding. [:o)]
@ Donny: Thank you very much for your great comment. :)
I'm looking forward to visit the States and hopefully the Reunion Ride
some day again. I've only been there ones in 2008 on John Zink's ranch in Tulsa.
Best regards
Guenther Vogt,
Hercules Club, Germany
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Hercules-Interessengemeinschaft e.V.
URL: http://www.herculesig.de
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Hi Guenther,
Thank you for the reply and for helping us POG members. I still have one spare rod kit on the shelf, but I know where I'll be buying them in the future ;)
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Marc,
I would be willing to purchase 2 B -engine kits and add two additional pins.
Thanks Marc and how are the numbers accumulating? I hope there is enough interest to help the process start.
Another interesting question: should someone come across a used B engine, in order to save an old pin, would it be best to immeditely take the engine apart and try and save the pin and install with a new rod and bearing? This is probably a question for Doug, Kip, and others.
peter klinck
Can't beat the Guenther price .