The plans for the 2009 ISDTRR are coming along nicely with about a years worth of planning already completed.
The dates are October 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 2009
The host club is the Enduro Riders Association. //www.enduroriders.com
The event location is the Vinton County Jr. Fairgrounds which is about 1 mile north of McArthur, Ohio, there is a map on the club's website.
The banquet location is secured and the final details are being decided upon at this time.
On behalf of everyone involved with this event, I want to thank the Enduro Riders Association, the ERA President Steve Barber, and all of the ERA officers and members for undertaking this event. It is a big undertaking, but if you look over their website and see all of the events that they put on they are surely very well qualified to host this prestigious event. We are very fortunate to have them as the host club.
Another person who has been working very diligently is Kent Knudson, Kent has scouted out and secured a great facility for the Saturday night banquet, he is working out some of the finer details at this time.
Several others who are deeply involved are Jack Penton as part of the Reunion Ride Steering committee and Teddy Landers as the AHRMA Cross Country Coordinator, as well as the entire ISDT Reunion Ride Steering Committee for supporting this event.
A few notes of interest. Anyone who has ever ridden in southern Ohio knows there is nothing slicker than southern Ohio clay when it is wet, and covered with leaves. For this reason the date of this event was moved up to the beginning of October so that the leaves will still be in all of their glorious fall color, and on the trees.
Jack Penton, Toni Roach, Paul Busic, Dennis Brown and I rode an ERA trailride on our vintage bikes this past summer. It rained almost 2 inches the night before the ride, I did not have new soft tires on my bike, I will not make that mistake again. If you don't know what to ask Santa for Christmas, and you plan on riding this event, ask for some new, soft to intermediate tires.
If you have questions please post them here for now, in time we hope to have a page of information on the ERA website. I also encourage Steve, Jack, Kent, Teddy and anyone else who wants to add to, or correct, any of the above information to please do so.
Paul
paul, we are looking forward to this event there will be six of us from northeast ohio going ,sorry we will al be on huskys.there were many isdt riders form ohio.the penton teams, husky was from columbus, the pittsburg riders bohn and kain fisher, lojacks, mich. had some. and paul is right new tires are a good idea, there will be plenty of woods riding. southern ohio that time of year is beautiful unless its rains.
dennis l.brown
Quotequote:Originally posted by Paul Danik
The plans for the 2009 ISDTRR are coming along nicely with about a years worth of planning already completed.
The dates are October 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 2009
The host club is the Enduro Riders Association. //www.enduroriders.com
The event location is the Vinton County Jr. Fairgrounds which is about 1 mile north of McArthur, Ohio, there is a map on the club's website.
The banquet location is secured and the final details are being decided upon at this time.
On behalf of everyone involved with this event, I want to thank the Enduro Riders Association, the ERA President Steve Barber, and all of the ERA officers and members for undertaking this event. It is a big undertaking, but if you look over their website and see all of the events that they put on they are surely very well qualified to host this prestigious event. We are very fortunate to have them as the host club.
Another person who has been working very diligently is Kent Knudson, Kent has scouted out and secured a great facility for the Saturday night banquet, he is working out some of the finer details at this time.
Several others who are deeply involved are Jack Penton as part of the Reunion Ride Steering committee and Teddy Landers as the AHRMA Cross Country Coordinator, as well as the entire ISDT Reunion Ride Steering Committee for supporting this event.
A few notes of interest. Anyone who has ever ridden in southern Ohio knows there is nothing slicker than southern Ohio clay when it is wet, and covered with leaves. For this reason the date of this event was moved up to the beginning of October so that the leaves will still be in all of their glorious fall color, and on the trees.
Jack Penton, Toni Roach, Paul Busic, Dennis Brown and I rode an ERA trailride on our vintage bikes this past summer. It rained almost 2 inches the night before the ride, I did not have new soft tires on my bike, I will not make that mistake again. If you don't know what to ask Santa for Christmas, and you plan on riding this event, ask for some new, soft to intermediate tires.
If you have questions please post them here for now, in time we hope to have a page of information on the ERA website. I also encourage Steve, Jack, Kent, Teddy and anyone else who wants to add to, or correct, any of the above information to please do so.
Paul
Hello Paul.
I have started to contact as many Canadian ISDT riders as possible and because the distance is this time in our favor,it looks very good.
I think we will have several Canada teams on the line.:)
In the meantime happy holydays and a great new year 2009.;)
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2 x Hercules 250-7A 76
Zuendapp 125 GS 72-73
Paul,
What can you tell us about the basics of entering the RR? For example,
When do entries open?
How many riders is the event limited to?
What are the bike restrictions - age? equipment?
What sanction groups must the rider be signed up for, such as
AMA, AHRMA, et?
Is POG going to have a display, are we going to pit together, etc?
I checked ERA's website for info, but they have only the dates listed. I will send Steve an e-mail to see what info he can provide, and ask that he post his response here.
Ted, I can give you the standard info that is the same for all ISDT-RR events, this one should be the same.
Unless you are an ISDT Vet the bike must be legal for an AHRMA class and it must have lights. The lights do not have to work, but they have to be there to properly represent what the real ISDT bikes looked like. Likewise, old license plates, horns and any other equipment used on the real ISDT bikes is encouraged but not required. Spark arrestors are not required by AHRMA, but depending on the land rules for where they event it held they might be. To enter an ISDT-RR you must be an AMA and an AHRMA member, though temp AHRMA memberships for the ISDT-RR only are available. You will not have to be a member of either before the event, you can sign up for both at the event, but it is easier for everyone if you do it ahead of time.
Here is a link to the AHRMA rule book if you have any questions about bike eligibility:
http://www.ahrma.org/rulebook/2008Handbook/index.html
Brian
'73 Berkshire
I recently heard that there will be a team category with year-end awards for people riding the two-day type events such as the RR and qualifiers. Does anyone know the rules for who can be on a team, such as a novice, intermediate, and expert comprising a team? Or maybe bike sizes like one each of 125, 250, and open? Thanks!
Mick
Mick,
The teams can have any three riders you want, they can be any class or they could all be from the same class. It is best to have all three riders competing in different classes though because your team score is based on your performance within your class so you dont want to compete against each other. For team scoring the winner of each class gets 0 points, and each person behind gets points equal to how many seconds they are behind their class leader. Add all the team rider points and thats your team score, lowest score wins. For example, winners of the '08 ISDT-RR team competition, the all Penton mounted team Phillips Vintage Cycles of Ernie, Wendell, and kid Christopher got a score of 0 because each one won their respective classes. My team, the Lillian Swamp Monsters, was on track to give the Phillips Vintage team a run for their money, but we had a DNF.
Here is a link to the '08 team score results for you to look at.
http://tinyurl.com/6gmrcc
If you look at the second place team, they could have tied for first but they had two in the same class, as a result Rik Smits got accessed 14 points, which is the number of seconds he was behind Craig Hayes his team mate in PV Open Expert.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
hi guys glad to hear/read such a positive response to the event being held in ohio. we are working through the details now and will post here and on our web as soon as we get all the details worked out . for now it will be basicly the same as all the other isdtttr's have been. i'm working on the lic tag issues : current tag vs any tag: lights don't have to work but they need to be on the bikes . should have flyers done and posted early january. i'll try to post everything i know for sure tommorrow steve
steve barber
Thanks Steve for that itsi bitsi info on the lights. :) I swear they burnout in the trailer just driving the bike a few 100 miles to the events !!
I never know if they will or wont turn on !!
Raymond
Down East Pentons
Paul or Steve,
Can anyone enter this event? I rode some 2-day quilifiers back in the 70's but never made it to the ISDT. Are there any qualifications regarding experience or can any old dude get in?
I hope to enter a few events prior to this October date but it appears the entries will need to be in early for a good starting spot, just like the old days....
Are team entries necessary or just another option to individual entries?
Thanks....
Jerry,
Anyone can enter this event, there are lots of us old dudes out there still riding and we will enjoy having you join us.
This is a fun event, first and foremost and you won't need to enter early to get a good starting position. I can tell you that there will be a 2-3 three week before the event pre-entry deadline as lots of details need to be arranged according to the number of folks attending. These details will be included in the flier that Steve will be posting when it is ready.
Team entries are just an option. The one requirement is that if you are not an ISDT vet you will need to ride a vintage bike, but don't despair as the goal of the layout crew is make this a nice trailride with an easy time schedule, rememeber the part about this being a fun event....
Please tell us a little about yourself and the events that you rode back in the day, what bike did you ride? Do you still have your old race bike and if not what do you plan on riding?
It is great to hear from you and we hope you can make the ISDTRR.
Paul
Thanks Brian, the team event definitley looks like the most fun way to participate, in an event that has sounded like nothing but fun! I've never been to the Reunion Ride, but next year will not be missed! [8D]
Mick,
The team competition is a lot of fun, but you still compete as an individual too when you are on a team. The team competition gives you something more to ride for than just yourself.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
In the Team Competition, beware of the Men from Mars :)
Gork
Hey Paul, I heard you rode like an "alien" back in the day, but who are your recruits? I better start promising "benefits", like free doughnuts, hotdogs, and smores over the campfire! [:p]
Mick,
If your trying to fatten me up your a little late.
If things go as planned the Men from Mars will be my son Chad, son-in-law Dave and yours truly. If your read my other post I merely said to beware of us. The "troublemaker" on Davie sometimes leads me astray when we go to these events.
I wonder if the Men from Amherst will form a team.....
Paul
Paul,
Thanks for the personal invitation, that means a lot to me. I started riding desert in the late 60's then moved to Kentucky. There I rode motocross on CZ's and enduros on Yamaha. In 1973 I started riding a Jackpiner in several local and National events all across the country including Black Coal, Daniel Boone, Stone Mountain, Little Harpeth, Alligator, etc. I won the B class Lonesome Pine National in 74' on a Penton Hare Scrambler and was graduated to A status that day. I rode a few ISTD 2-day qualifers with Danny Young. I gold medaled the Twin States and DNF at Ft.Hood. Danny and I also competed as co-riders in the 1973 Mint 400 in Las Vegas. My career ended after a MX crash on a Penton 400 in 1975. I retired from Legends Car racing in 2006.
I recently purchased a restored 74' 250 Penton and look forward to riding some "fun" events this year. The ISDTRR is a must do.
Thanks again for your interest.
hi guys steve barber era here. sorry i haven't posted any more about the isdtrr . i had some medical procedures done this week and have been kinda out of it . while talking with some of my club members we were wondering what kind of gas range you guys get on your bikes . we are looking at about 50 miles on sat and 40 on sunday . + final moto we saw some guys running out in tulsa who didn't gas at 1st control. is 50 miles to long or will you need gas on course ? will you have gas crews or will you need a gas trailor? if we have 250 to 300 riders providing gas trailors might be a problem. we're just trying to plan ahead. will you guys be bringing your own gas crews?
steve barber
Sounds like Steve and the club putting this on is not totally tuned into Vintage.
Teddy, Paul, or someone in the know needs to help line these guys out on what it takes to do this. We don't want modern thought to make trail like the first year the Mudders did ISDTR or lack of knowledge to make a MX course like in Arkansas and have a Woods O Cross again. PLEASE do not let this just happen and be a bummer. I am sure these guys have great intentions they just need someone to steer them.
Larry P
Hi Steve,
I think making 50 miles would depend on how many of those miles were test miles. Most bikes could make 50 at trail riding speed, but if there is enough test miles in that it could get tight. Having said that, I would prefer to have more test mileage than the ISDT-RRs have had in the past.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
larry you are correct as to our vintage lack of knowledge. but we are working with paul danik and pog on this. i was just trying to get a feel for gas ranges. paul will be coming down and helping us with the course and i am sure it will be great. the tests will be groomed vintage friendly trails. many of our club members have been riding since vintage was modern and we have vintage bikes to layout on if you want to contact me and give me your imput it would be appreciated . 614-891-1369 thanks steve
steve barber
thanks brian thats the imput i was looking for. steve
steve barber
Cool, Steve. I just wanted to be sure there were not some of the boffos from the past. Sometimes when someone has not ridden a Vintage bike they have a different definition of "Vintage Friendly". Also one year in Arkansas the Grasstrack special test was over half in the woods and it was tight woods besides. A grasstrack it was not. Fun is the key words for an ISDTR. Sounds like you guys have guidance. Paul is a good judge and I might add a Great guy in my book.
You have alleviated my fears and sorry if I sounded negative. Just hope to make it this year with no Baja to do and want to have a blast. Hope to meet you in person then. Thanks for putting this one on and keep up the good work.
Larry P
Steve,
A good way to know if you have the right mix on the trails would be , put an average trail rider on a vintage small bore and have him run the sections.
A 125 Six-Day or Hodaka Ace 100 or Wombat would work for this. Its hard for folks that have never ridden Vintage bikes in enduros to figure out what is a " Good " trail.
Is just a thought. Check with Paul and see if he thinks that would be a good way to gauge it.
Thank you and the club for putting this one on.
John D.
PS my gas " crew " has always been my wife
She seems to find a place along the trail somehow , no matter where we are , when no gas stops are provided. chuckle chuckle!
thanks john i have a 74 175 jackpiner i'm going to use plus i'm going to try to get vic ely, he's a club member to bring down his old triumph . we had a vintage enduro a couple of years ago and it turned out pretty good . ask gary roach he was 2nd overall. "just thought i'd remind him of that " thanks for the imput steve
steve barber
Relax guys. If Steve and gang lay it out with a Jackpiner and a Triumph everything will be fine. Steve was down at Tulsa and got to check out the course there, plus Prez Paul will be giving the club guidance. Ron Ribolzi usually goes and pre-rides the course on a classic class bike to check it out, too.
With regard to the fuel question, I doubt you'll find too many folks complaining about more miles on Saturday provided we can address the fuel issue. Of course, we could all make sure we have ENDURO tanks rather than MX tanks on our bikes...hint, hint! Like Brian, I'm all for more special tests, but those require more bodies to help.
I'm looking forward to the southern Ohio Reunion Ride!
Jeff DeBell
Jeff, hi, i was talking with Kenny Held last week, he is picking up an early PE 175 to get ready for the Ohio RR, he said he would be getting in touch with you, Happy Holidays, regards, Mike G.
Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ.- 69 + 71, 125 Steel Tankers, 72 Berkshire, 72 x 2, 73 x 2, 125-6 Day's, 74-6 Day, 73 Jackpiner, 74 1/2 - 250 H/S, 75 - 250 H/S, 74 1/2 Mint 400
Many thanx for asking for rider input.
Please keep in mind that many of these bikes only have a range of about 40 miles on their gas tanks.
Most clubs either have a loop that gets them back to the start area for gas, or provide a gas trailer to bring it to the gas stop.
Riders do not have pit crews or anyone there to haul gas for them.
thanks for the imput . thats what i was thinking . maybe 2 30 mile loops on sat and a 35-40 0n sun plus mx.
the enduro riders association and myself would like to wish everyone out there a merry christmas and happy new years.
steve barber
Am I reading the rules correctly? The year of the bike is limited to 1974 or earlier?
I am hoping to see the club put on a longer event. Maybe 80-90 miles day one and 50 day two?
The bikes that can be used by anyone other than former ISDT & ISDE riders can be found in the Cross Country and MX rules at the AHRMA website. ahrma.org Basically there are classes from the 1960's to about 1984. If it does not have a disc brake odds are it is legal.
I believe 80-90 miles is too far to keep it fun and to have a low failure rate. If you increase the mileage there will be more people break. Parts are getting higher and higher to redo these motors so the longer we make them go the better. Some of the guys that race this race will have put many miles on these bikes in the season before this race in the AHARMA Cross Country Series.
The more mileage and the harder special test cries generally come from two types of riders. One is the guy that rides not many events maybe even just this one. The other is the competitive make it like then guy for which I have been guilty of being in the past. We have to remember that this is one for fun. One reason I have for several years said this one should not be an AHRMA race so that the competitve would be out of it and it could be totally fun.
Larry P
mileage has not been set yet. we are looking at some different things . the important thing is to have nice trails and great tests.
larry is correct this event should be fun and it will be .
the tests i have in mind will be rideable by all but give the competive types enough to separate them.
steve b
steve barber
Larry: Points well taken. My first AHRMA event was at Mid OH this year. I was told on numerous occasions when asking about a few rules questions I had before deciding on what bike to ride that it didn't matter it was all for "fun". Well I can now say with that little bit of experience that there were a lot of "serious" riders out on that CC course. Guess I have been riding enduros now for around 40 years and was always serious, competetive and had fun at same time. Only reason I brought up mileage was after looking at the posted CC results from 2008 I noticed that of the approxmiately 196 riders whose scores were shown only 53 rode more than 2 events.
With that in mind I thought that with many traveling long distances (I am only 1 hour away) maybe some would like more riding (fun) time.
I hope anyone with any opinion contacts the club and gives as much input as possible. Ted Atkinson
teddy we have been asking for imput because we want to get it right and we appreciate all imput. you've ridden our events in the past and i'm sure you'll agree we get it right most of the time.
you probably rode our 1 day 200 miler and wanted more .
but thats just you. lol
steve barber
steve barber
I remember a statement from the 2003 ISDTRR Banquet......
"The spirit of the ISDTRR is to give 50+ year old riders on 30+ year old bikes a chance to relive the past....Sometimes finishing the event is just as rewarding as winning the medal."
I'm not sure a 90 mile Day 1 and 30 mile Day 2 is in "the spirit".
Remember it takes old bones and old bikes take time to heal.
Just my opinion.......
Steve Minor
Wilmington, NC
I don't know, If there are 50 miles of dirt roads to go with 40 miles of actual trails , it could be a hoot.
Dwight
Quotequote:Originally posted by Steve Minor
I remember a statement from the 2003 ISDTRR Banquet......
"The spirit of the ISDTRR is to give 50+ year old riders on 30+ year old bikes a chance to relive the past....Sometimes finishing the event is just as rewarding as winning the medal."
I'm not sure a 90 mile Day 1 and 30 mile Day 2 is in "the spirit".
Remember it takes old bones and old bikes take time to heal.
Just my opinion.......
Steve Minor
Wilmington, NC
Having been riding enduros in Ohio all my life and I can guess almost near a 50/50 mix of gravel/pavement, and great trails. Dwight: This brings up an important point. Bikes will need to be street legal with license plates. At last vintage enduro a State Park Ranger was pulling almost everyone over and checking for registered plates, etc...
I am not speaking for the club just offering input early. Get your bikes street legal.
Steve: You guys do a great job and I am hoping to spark some more input from the "silent" majority to help you guys in decision making only. Please don't take any of my comments wrong or as critisim.
Ted Atkinson
If it is going to be checked like that then this is a bad place to do the ISDTRR because it will eliminate about half of the entries or they will get tickets. Most Vintage bikes don't have titles. When this was threatened in past events it was a potential stumbling block. It has not been required in the past. It just had to have the look of legal.
Please let us know if it is indeed that way because if so I am out. The bike I am riding Cross Country on won't do lights as it is a MXer. It works fine for all the other AHRMA CC races and I don't mind bolting stuff on for this event but am not going to pop for an ignition and hassle with making it all work. I don't need any tickets either.
Hopefully this is incorrect information for the ISDTRR location.
Larry P
Larry,
You have hit the nail on the head! I have lights that work but tags that don't! Like you, I don't need a free ride in the back of the squad car.
Thomas Carmichael
1970 125 Six Day
1976 250 Hare Scrambler
i never heard a word about riders getting stopped at our vintage enduro . we have a very good relationship with the sheriff's office. i'm working on old tags being ok. worst case might need a current tag. headlight ,taillight and tag. non working lights ok.
we host 3 events per year. with no problems .
not to worry we'll have it covered. steve
steve barber
If the tag needs to be registered to the bike you are going to have difficulties with a lot of people. Thanks for keeping us posted on this.
Larry P
headlight,taillight ,lic mounted to rear fender. lights don't have to work. we don't check to see if tag is legal. sheriff has told us that if they look legal and are not doing something stupid they won't stop you. i am working on a exemption for this event for old tags based on the historical nature of this event. steve
steve barber
Sounds like a winner, Steve. You guys will do good at this and are on top of things pronto. Thanks for the info and clarification.
Larry P