Conrad-
I did my research on the OSSA. i definately learned A LOT about the bikes in order to find what that tiny little simbol means. And from what i learned OSSA stands for Orpheo Sincronic Sociedad Anonima. And the little simbol in the 'o' is a film reel. because the OSSA company made movies as well as dirt bikes. Oh, and the word OSSA means bear in spanish.
Now, Do you know what the husqvarna symbol stands for[?][?]
Ambr Milakovic
"Black Beauty"
Actually, I think Ossa means "rope" because thats what you get towed back in with if you ride one. :D
The Husqvarna symbol is a gun sight since the company started out as a gun manufacturer.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
Baby Brian,
So then in Japanese "rope" must be pronounced Hodaka?;->
Pablo
I believe so.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
husqvarna was started back in 1600s the original logo was the royal crown as was on huskys back in 60-70s they were the royal armorers of sweden the rifle sight came in the 80s
dennis l.brown
Ah, I knew it was something like that.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
I knew that Husky made sewing machines and rifles before motorcycles, so what was their first product back in the 1600's?
Mick
I used to tell a bad joke: OSSA spelled backwards is ----. ;) Wildman.
1975 250 Cross Country, 1974 175 Jackpiner, 1975 125
I would say in the 1600s Husky's first products were gorgets, broadswords, mail (chain), mantles and doublets. There used to be a Bultaco ad that said something like "Would you really want to buy your next motorcycle from a sewing machine company?". I guess Husky had the laat laugh.
Click here to see Mars attack:
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/images/marsattacks.jpg
OK Ambr, here's another one for you. Tell us what you can find out about the BMW symbol.
Gary
(http://www.bobmodifiedbmw.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bmw-logo-black.jpg)
I know this one but I'll let her do some research.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
hey Gary give me a tough one! Bavarian Motor Works!
Ok, i've been thinking about this...
the berkshire, the 6 day, the jackpiner, and the mint, are all bikes named after a specific race. so how did the harescrambler get it's name?
Ambr Milakovic
"Black Beauty"
It is BMW but the symbol (the blue and white part in the center) is a stylized airplane propeller since that is where they started.
Brian
'73 Berkshire
Ambr,
It was the blue and white symbol that I wanted you find out about. I guess I should have explained it better. Brian was right about the airplane propeller. Actually, BMW stands for "Bayerische Motoren Werke", but the English translation is "Bavarian Motor Works".:)
(http://www.pvgp.org/674610814132427750/lib/674610814132427750/bmw_logo_plane-1916.jpg)
Here's a link to a video on YouTube of Doug Wilford explaining all of the Penton motorcycle names:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozvvUveCGk
So, you want a tough one, eh? How about this symbol? Toni knows this one, so you're not allowed to cheat by contacting her.
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8979/symbol.jpg)
Gary
Hey that looks like a stylized "Pacman"........[8D]
Hey, Gary - I was wondering if you still had those Rockfords. . .
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/OhioTed/rf_chibi.jpg)
It's been a while since I've seen them. Last time was a few years ago, at Vintage Days.
Taking advantage of this line of posts, can anyone ID this one?
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/OhioTed/04-133400.gif)
I won't give it away here, but rather will run a photo of an fine example of the bike in the next post. I am hoping someone out there may know of these bikes, as I am working on one and need parts.
Unfortunately, mine is in nowhere near as nice a condition as the one shown in the next post, owned by a fellow POG member. And, his RUNS, too!
So, here it is:
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/OhioTed/5-31-08BSAmeet018modified.jpg)
A Moto Beta 125 Premier Enduro, imported by the Moto Guzzi people, back in the early to mid-1970's.
The good news is that Domi Racer has in stock many nos parts. Not so good news is that they don't have everything that I need. Notably, a headlight assy and taillight assy.
If anyone has any insight whatsoever regarding these bikes, I would very much appreciate hearing from you. Thanks.
Ted
Ted, hi, email me at:
[email protected], i can help you with the Premier, regards, Mike G.
Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ.
ok, i watched doug's interview, and found out that the harescrambler was named simply because of local muddy, nasty, scramble events.
now as for the other "hard" logo, i haven't been able to figure that one out yet. i am not giving up either, so... COME ON GARY HOW ABOUT A CLUE??? :D
Ambr Milakovic
"Black Beauty"
I thought I would shed a little light on the history of Husqvarna. The original arms factory was setup on the river in Jonkoping to manufacture musket barrels for the Swedish Army utilizing the hydraulic power of the waterfalls to turn the lathes. The factory was later moved to the river that flows thru the city of Huskvarna because of a greater water flow adding more power for the mills. The word Husqvarna is loosely translated to mean "House of Milling." The factory was later privatized and begin manufacturing different industrial and household items. The motorbike business was never meant to be more than a promotional item for the company, but Edison Dye convinced them to mass produce bikes to feed the U.S. market.
Kevin
Ted,
Yeah, I still have the Rockford Chibi's, plus a couple of Tora's.
Ambr,
Ted got it already. It was Rockford Motors.
Here's one that Toni wanted you to try:
Do you know what this Yamaha symbol is...and what it represents?
(http://www.sloneservices.com/orion/images/tuning%20fork%20sm.gif)
They are crossed tuning forks(as for musical instruments)
Mark
Texas
Good one on the tuning forks, guys. In the same vein, do I remember that Yamaha as a company goes back to 1833? Also, I seem to recall that pianos were their first product.
How's this for an easy one: What does PABATCO stand for?
Or this one: Which motorcycle brand's parent company is represented by the initials "KHI", and what do the initials stand for? Hint, think "screaming, straight-line performance".
Here's some more trivia: What large, Japanese company owes much of it's early 2-stroke performance engineering to a German source, and which German motorcycle brand originated some of that go-fast engineering?
KHI is for Kawasaki Heavy Industries.
Pacific Basin Trading Company. Hodaka.
Lew Mayer
Quotequote:Originally posted by Mark P
They are crossed tuning forks(as for musical instruments)
Mark
Texas
Mark, you are correct.
The three tuning forks of the Yamaha logo mark represent the cooperative relationship that links the three pillars of their business -- technology, production, and sales. The mark also symbolizes the three essential musical elements: melody, harmony, and rhythm.
gary was that the decal on the tank of a taca motorcycle?
dennis l.brown
geez! you guys go too fast for me, i dont get to the computer quick enough! so you definately stumped me on the Rockford symbol. but i knew the Yamaha right off the bat! i studied music history!
ok...
who was the first american national motocross champion, and what did he ride? and what series determined his title[?][?]
Ambr Milakovic
"Black Beauty"
Since we're digging through the old stuff, here's a few more, guys. What can you tell us about these symbols?
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/OhioTed/FullBorelogo.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/OhioTed/Powerolllogo.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/OhioTed/Noguchilogomodified.jpg)
The first two are easy, but what about that third one? Hint: They were to brand (blank) what Mugen was to Honda.
well, Full-bore made motocross boots! my dad had a pair. they were red, white and blue down the shin guards. not sure yet about the other two!
Ambr Milakovic
"Black Beauty"
Ah, very good, young grasshopper, but what ELSE did Full Bore market?
Ted, #2 - Powrell, and #3 - Noguchi. Ted, i emailed you my phone #, give me a call and i can help you with some of the Premier parts, thanks, Mike G.
Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ.
Quotequote:Originally posted by dennis brown
gary was that the decal on the tank of a taca motorcycle?
dennis l.brown
Hi Dennis,
Yes, Rockford Motors had a 100cc model called the "Taka".
(http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/data/articlestandard/dirtbike/232006/331926/rockfordtaka100.jpg)
Quotequote:Here's some more trivia: What large, Japanese company owes much of it's early 2-stroke performance engineering to a German source, and which German motorcycle brand originated some of that go-fast engineering?
East German MZ rider Ernst D. defected to Suzuki in 1961. In addition to being a good rider, Ernst was an excellent engineer and he shared much of MZ go-fast technology with his new employer. Suzuki (and Japan) was soon a force to reckon with. DKW/MZ developed much of the modern two stroke technology; loop-charging, rotary & reed valves and the di-con pipe (expansion chamber). In spite of Japan's progress in the 70's it was still a German firm (Maico) that produced the most useable power (IMO) in the open class for many years. European manufacturers Rotax and KTM still make world class 2-stroke engines. If the sanctioning bodies go back to a true displacement classes, you will see dominance of the 2-stroke again.
Ernie P.
Chattanooga, TN
Wow! You guys are GOOD!
Ernie's detailing of the MZ company's technology finding its way to Suzuki was quite impressive.
Ambr - Are you refering to Hooskvarna-mounted Dick Burleson winning the Inter-Am title? Also, about the other Full Bore products - that same brand could be found on oil products back in the day, for example.
Mike - You get a big A+ for nailing the obscure Noguchi symbol, but a "B" for spelling Poweroll wrong. Haha. I will call you this weekend about the Premier. Thank you!
Gary - That Taka is awesome! There were so many cool, little trailbikes available back then. In my efforts to reaquire all the bikes I had when I was a kid, I am seeking a "Broncco". Thing is, while I had a B&G-powered Broncco minibike, a buddy had a 100cc Broncco trailbike, not unlike the Taka. THAT'S what I am hoping to locate. No luck so far, but if you hear or see anything, please let me know.
Didn't Dick Burleson win the 1st US MX championship on a BSA engined Metisse?
Bill, You're correct. This is from the Hall of Fame Museum website:
"Because the AMA realized that the Europeans would dominate, it decided to create a national championship title which would be conferred on the top American in the series, regardless of where he might finish. This was won by Dick Burleson aboard a privately sponsored Rickman BSA(4). Today, few realize that Burleson was America's first motocross national champion, in part because he went on to become the most accomplished enduro rider in history, earning eight national championships in succession."
(http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/exhibits/MX/history/images/3escdepwm0_1092324805.jpg)
Early American MX hero Dick Burleson.
Interesting thing about this thread is that it was started by Conrad at the Indy dealer show when he asked Ambr what BSA meant and the meaning of the OSSA logo, and he hasn't posted here yet! Conrad are you OK??!!
Mick
Mick
YEAH! Where is conrad! i have answered his question, plus more! and i never did quiet find anything else of Fullbore. i surrender!!
Ambr Milakovic
"Black Beauty"
I assume somebody got British Small Arms.AJS A.J.Stevens.
Dave
Full Bore also marketed a 2 smoke oil. It came in a black quart can. Those of us that were riding Bultacos in the mid sixty's used it. The Full Bore boots were the best you could buy-at the time.
Paul A. Busick
paul, we used a 2 stroke oil called t c oil made here in ohio,very good stuff our huskys loved it, do you know what ever happened to it?
dennis l.brown
Dennis,
I don't know that product. We went back and forth from Full Bore to Castrol R. Then to Hi Point concentrate when John Penton started marketing it. I'm still using the same stuff today-Golen Spector. 12 oz. to 5 gal.
P.A. Busick
Ambr, Sorry It took so long for me to reply, but you are correct with OSSA.
We need young people like you to pass this information on to others!!
You are great Penton/ Vintage ambassador. It was great seeing you and your family in Indy.
Conrad
Conrad Pfeifer
1972 Penton Six Days
well, gaaallee! conrad, its about time. i have definately done my research, and learned a lot about 'the bikes that were'. they may not have been in my race generation, but i have made them a love of mine. and thank you for the compliment. it was fun to see you there too! let's not make it too long till next time!
Ambr Milakovic
"Black Beauty"
Ambr, They may be called "the bikes that were" but it's up to you and your brother(mostly you, we know how he is) to keep them the bikes that "are".
Next time I see Black Beauty will it be painted Navy blue and gold??
Conrad Pfeifer
1972 Penton Six Days
I think that Ambr should leave that for when she moves up to a Jackpiner, don't you think? Mike
Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 175-400'S