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General Discussion => Penton Talk => Topic started by: Ernie Phillips on February 23, 2009, 11:16:30 AM

Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: Ernie Phillips on February 23, 2009, 11:16:30 AM
In the last two weeks I have looked to buy Jackpiner project bikes and found both engines had broken cranks.  In both cases, the break occurred on the ignition side at the junction of the crank web (flywheel) and spindle.  Were (are) crank failures common on early black engine 175's?  On a rebuild, how do you prevent reoccurrence?  Anybody got a spare crank in good condition or a good bottom end?  Thanks  -EP


Ernie P.
Chattanooga, TN
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: slvrbrdfxr on February 23, 2009, 04:24:42 PM
Ernie,
I'm not sure when the changeover occured but the early black 175 engines had a smaller shaft on the ignition side than the later engines. The early engines were 20mm shaft and the later models were a 25mm shaft. I can't say for certain but it's a good bet the 20mm shafts were not holding up and thus a reason for the increase in the size. Hopefully someone else will jump in with some more info.
Dave McCullough
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: G Ellis on February 23, 2009, 07:48:03 PM
Give me a call 217 260 0237  Later Gary
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: Kip Kern on February 23, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
Both the 175 and 250 black engines had crank problems, thus the change on the silver engines.  I have not heard of any these days but have heard of them when produced (early 70's).  I have had to disassemble various cranks to get enough parts to make one good one for rebuilds, I am sure others have ran into this?
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: Dwight Rudder on February 24, 2009, 12:49:15 AM
I had kickstart and 3rd gear problems on my 1972 model.  I had heard of crank breakage on the 1972 models also.  I have not heard of these problems on 1973 models.
Dwight
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: Ernie Phillips on February 24, 2009, 08:15:27 AM
Thanks for the info guys.  Looks like I've got lots to learn about these KTM engines.

Gary, I'll call you tonight.  -EP

Ernie P.
Chattanooga, TN
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: Rocket on February 27, 2009, 02:37:36 PM
I had a new 73 175 and it broke the crank on the mag side.  The first 175's had a 20mm crank pin and it must have been too weak.  My dealer sent the crank back to Ohio and it got replaced with an upgraded 25mm crank pin.  No more problems.
Rocket
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: Mike Lenz on March 02, 2009, 05:04:47 PM
If you a PVL internal rotor ign you wont have to worry about it. Not enough flywheel weight to break it...at least mine has lasted.
Title: Broken Cranks on Jackpiners – 1973?
Post by: brian kirby on March 02, 2009, 05:17:34 PM
I was thinking the same thing, the smaller internal rotors would not stress the crank as much.

Brian

'73 Berkshire