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#1
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 14, 2019, 06:41:13 PM
Here's some interesting info on the Bing Carbs

Technical Information For bing carburetor Adjusting the Bing Carburetor - The Bing Carburetor has a three stage system: Idle, Midrange and Top End. Idler Jets - From the moment the engine is started to approximately 1/4 throttle, the carburetor is running according to how the idle system is set up. As the idler jet number decreases, the mixture gets leaner as the number increases, the mixture gets richer. For instance, Idler Jet #45 has a leaner mixture than Idler Jet #50  The Air Regulating Screw must be set as stated in the Bing Jet Chart in order to insure smooth operation of the Idler Jet. This screw adjusts the air/fuel mixture at idle speeds and for smooth acceleration. Turning the screw in a clockwise direction creates a richer mixture while turning it counterclockwise creates a leaner mixture. To adjust this screw, gently turn in a clockwise direction until the screw bottoms out, then loosen the screw (in a counterclockwise direction) the number of turns as recommended in the Bing Jet Chart. (effective range 1/2 to 2-1/2 turns out).  Use the carburetor piston Adjusting Screw to adjust the idle RPM. Turn this screw in a counterclockwise direction until the Carburetor  Piston is in the lowest position. Then carefully turn the screw clockwise until it just engages the piston and then continue to turn it clockwise for 2 to 2-1/2 turns. This determines the idle RPM. of the engine and should be set at 2,000 RPM min. Needle Jets/Jet Needles - The Jet Needle has three or four grooves which the clip can be snapped onto. The grooves are 1, 2, 3, 4 with number 1 at the top position . When the clip is snapped onto the top position #1 of the needle, a leaner mixture is created than if it was mounted on the #2 groove. NOT: Jet Needle clip must always be under plastic spring cup. The Midrange System affects the carburetor for approximately 1/4 to 3/4 throttle. Once again, the lower the needle number of the Needle Jet, the leaner the mixture. Main Jet Conversion Chart - The Jet chart shows each engine and the stock caburetion setting at sea level. If you live other than at sea level or in a hotter climate, then you must refer to the Main Jet Conversion Chart to calibrate for altitude and temperature. Air density decreases with decreasing pressure and increasing temperature. If an engine is operated at higher elevation, the weight of the aspirated air decreases, where as the aspirated fuel quantity remains practically the same. This results in richer fuel/air mixture than the lower sea level. If the engine is operated in high altitude for a longer period, it is necessary to adjust the carburetor calibration to re-establish the original composition of the fuel/air mixture. With increasing altitude (lower air pressure), the oxygen quantity injested by the engine decreases. The consequent loss in performance cannot be compensated for by different carburetor settings. To adjust the carburetor, in general, a different main jet size is sufficient. Only in very particular cases does a different needle jet and/or different idle jet have to be installed. Example: If a single carb engine set up for sea level is shipped to Colorado Springs, Colorado, (approximate elevation 6,500 feet), the main jet would have to be changed. The carburetor would have a main jet of 180 at sea level. By using the conversion chart, going to the approximate altitude of 6,500 feet and using the temperature of 32 degrees, you can see we have a multiplier of .95 and come up with a recommended jet of 171. This main jet will produce the same composition of air/fuel mixture that the 180 main jet would at sea level
#2
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 14, 2019, 05:48:54 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Larry Perkins

Are you overseas?  If not Bing stuff is available from Bing here in the states out of Kansas.  Great guys there.

Larry P

I did order from Bing USA but they sent the carb from Germany
#6
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 14, 2019, 02:01:59 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Larry Perkins

Is your carb for sure the Type 84 Bing?  I think it came with the Type 53 but the 84 was the go fast hop up.  I have better luck with a 273 needle jet and always use a NEW needle jet as they wear.  I also use a #2 needle.  I am not at all familiar with the needle you refer to.  It almost sounds Mikuni.  Also be sure slide is not worn a happy face in it.

Larry P

The jet needle is Bing part number 46-290-6G1.  They no longer use #1 or #2 designation.  They are telling me the correct one (taper) is the 6G1
#7
Penton Talk / Low compression
August 11, 2019, 07:17:54 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Larry Perkins

Should be no less than about 120psi.  Like Ron said way too low to start or run.  Do remember though when you check compression to do your kicking with the throttle wide open.  If not you will not get an accurate reading.

Larry P
Yes I rechecked it with the throttle open - unfortunately no difference !!
#8
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 09, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
Yes I put the plastic on top of the needle holder - it was incorrect from Bing to begin with
#9
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 07, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
'74 6-days carb specs again. Can't get the bike started now and wore out my leg and wits.  Can anyone please comment on the jet needle number from Bing ?  Could this be right ?  should I switch to a 140 main, 2.73 needle and 40 idle jet ? What are others running ?

135 main jet
2.76 needle jet
6G1 jet needle in position 2 from top
35 idle jet
air screw setting 1 turn out
#10
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 06, 2019, 02:18:26 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Steve Minor

The spec you posted calls for 33:1 fuel mixture. That's probably the 1974 ratio. Modern oils allow you to use 40:1 and 50:1 ratios.

Steve Minor


Should I switch to the 40 or 50 :1 ratio ??  its not excessively smoking - is there a benefit to the higher ratio of fuel to oil ?

#11
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 06, 2019, 02:16:05 PM
Quotequote:Originally posted by Larry Perkins

Is your carb for sure the Type 84 Bing?  I think it came with the Type 53 but the 84 was the go fast hop up.  I have better luck with a 273 needle jet and always use a NEW needle jet as they wear.  I also use a #2 needle.  I am not at all familiar with the needle you refer to.  It almost sounds Mikuni.  Also be sure slide is not worn a happy face in it.

Larry P

Yes its a new carb I bought from Bing 4 years ago and its "type 84-2". the needle that Bing said is in the carb is the 6G1 - that's the term they used
#12
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 05, 2019, 08:11:20 PM
#13
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 05, 2019, 08:08:22 PM
the specs on the Bing type 84-2 28mm carb are as follows: they are also listed on the bag the carb came in from Germany (will post a pic)

135 main jet
2.76 needle jet
6G1 jet needle in position 2 from top
35 idle jet
air screw setting 1 turn out

ignition is a new HPI with timing at 2 to 3 mm BTDC. Fuel mixture is 33:1

any comments to these specs for a 1974 6-days 125 ?
#14
Penton Talk / Carb Adjustment
August 04, 2019, 07:51:18 PM
Is it 1-1/2 turns or 1/3 turn ?  My book says lightly seat the mixture screw and then back it out half a turn. But i'm not sure if that means a half turn at a time or ??  My newer bikes for example say lightly seat the mixture screw and then back it out 2-1/2 turns.