No-Toil air filters

[wildman]

I bought a No-toil  air filter a year or so ago and just cleaned it for the first time today. Because it had been so long I forgot the special cleaner that came with the filter and cleaned it with mineral spirits as I usually do. The seams came right apart and ruined the filter. Did using solvent cause this or did I get a bum filter? Anyone else have a problem like this? I think the original application was for Y---ha Blaster or Warrior. I got it from Al B., looks like I need another one but not if they dissolve on me! Thanks, Wildman.                         Gatorback or Bust!

1975 250 Cross Country, 1974 175 Jackpiner, 1975 125

[chicagojerry]

no toil filters should only be cleaned with their product. however, if there is extended time between oil applications, no toil is not the way to go. there was a test rececently i dirt bike mag that stated the same. i have a bike that diamond don keeps for me in texas, (i live in ohio) and i don't see it for months at a time. i was using no toil products on a non no toil filter and the filter was sticking to the filter support mesh to the point of ripping the filter. its a good product if you use it frequently but it can't go for extended lengths of time.    [^]    chijer

[t20sl]

Most foam filters will stand up to using solvent cleaners. No Toil's claim to fame is that using their oil you can clean the filter with their product and it can be rinsed down the sink because it is biodegradable.  I am assuming the cleaner they have is a soap / detergent product and therefore the glue on their cleaners may be attacked by a solvent such as mineral spirits.  Age may also be a factor.  If you run out of the cleaner you can also use dish soap as it cuts dirt and grease very well.  You have to use No Toils oil though to have the biodegradable benefit.  Ted

[Gavin Housh]

Wildman, I have glued foam filters back togeather before. The hardware sells this glue called Pliobond. It works well and will not melt from mineral spirits or Twin Air filter solvent (I think they just use mineral spirits and some green dye and then call it special). Pliobond is produced by W.J.Ruscoe Co. 483 Kenmore Blvd. Akron, Ohio 44301. It's worth a try and can be used around the shop for other stuff. Gavin

[wildman]

It was strange, I took that No toil filter down in the basement sink and put it in a bucket of warm soapy water after a bath in mineral spirits. When I squeezed the filter, this orange goop came out and wouldn't mix with water. After three more pails it seemed to come clean. I noticed a seam coming slightly apart and thought "a little glue could fix that". I wacked the filter againts my hand to knock out some of the excess water and the filter literaly fell apart at the seams. A little beyond glueing now, maybe. I said something like "Sugar" but only something like that;)
Anyway, I'll go back to the tried and true Twin Air filter and oil, but I find it hilarious that they sell colored mineral spirits as special filter cleaner. Thanks for the tip on Pliosol, sounds like good stuff. I've had to make an air filter element before for obsolete bikes before with liited sucess. I recall using something we called Gorilla Snot. Better than nothing, eh.
BTW, I noticed why Pentons have a sealing strip between the LH sidecover and the airbox, I had a nice line of dirt on the filter that lined right up with that little gap. New weatherstrip is in order too. Thanks, Wildman

1975 250 Cross Country, 1974 175 Jackpiner, 1975 125

[wildman]

quote:Originally posted by wildman

It was strange, I took that No toil filter down in the basement sink and put it in a bucket of warm soapy water after a bath in mineral spirits. When I squeezed the filter, this orange goop came out and wouldn't mix with water. After three more pails it seemed to come clean. I noticed a seam coming slightly apart and thought "a little glue could fix that". I wacked the filter againts my hand to knock out some of the excess water and the filter literaly fell apart at the seams. A little beyond glueing now, maybe. I said something like "Sugar" but only something like that;)
Anyway, I'll go back to the tried and true Twin Air filter and oil, but I find it hilarious that they sell colored mineral spirits as special filter cleaner. Thanks for the tip on Pliobond, sounds like good stuff. I've had to make an air filter element before for obsolete bikes before with liited sucess. I recall using something we called Gorilla Snot. Better than nothing, eh.
BTW, I noticed why Pentons have a sealing strip between the LH sidecover and the airbox, I had a nice line of dirt on the filter that lined right up with that little gap. New weatherstrip is in order too. Thanks, Wildman

1975 250 Cross Country, 1974 175 Jackpiner, 1975 125

1975 250 Cross Country, 1974 175 Jackpiner, 1975 125

[Speedy]

quote:Originally posted by wildman

I bought a No-toil  air filter a year or so ago and just cleaned it for the first time today. Because it had been so long I forgot the special cleaner that came with the filter and cleaned it with mineral spirits as I usually do. The seams came right apart and ruined the filter. Did using solvent cause this or did I get a bum filter? Anyone else have a problem like this? I think the original application was for Y---ha Blaster or Warrior. I got it from Al B., looks like I need another one but not if they dissolve on me! Thanks, Wildman.                         Gatorback or Bust!

1975 250 Cross Country, 1974 175 Jackpiner, 1975 125


I am using NO-TOIL system on all my bikes,new and vintage for years and will never go back to the old mess.
I can wash them in my wifes kitchen sink and she wont complain.Its a great"BIODEGRADEBLE"stuff,and I think we should go forward not backward in time.
Speedy------>>>>>>>>>>>

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