2009 ISDT Reunion Ride ISDTRR

[Paul Danik]

Mick,

         If your trying to fatten me up your a little late.

         If things go as planned the Men from Mars will be my son Chad, son-in-law Dave and yours truly.  If your read my other post I merely said to beware of us.  The "troublemaker" on Davie sometimes leads me astray when we go to these events.

   I wonder if the Men from Amherst will form a team.....

Paul

[Jerry Chafton]

Paul,
Thanks for the personal invitation, that means a lot to me. I started riding desert in the late 60's then moved to Kentucky. There I rode motocross on CZ's and enduros on Yamaha. In 1973 I started riding a Jackpiner in several local and National events all across the country including Black Coal, Daniel Boone, Stone Mountain, Little Harpeth, Alligator, etc. I won the B class Lonesome Pine National in 74' on a Penton Hare Scrambler and was graduated to A status that day. I rode a few ISTD 2-day qualifers with Danny Young. I gold medaled the Twin States and DNF at Ft.Hood. Danny and I also competed as co-riders in the 1973 Mint 400 in Las Vegas. My career ended after a MX crash on a Penton 400 in 1975. I retired from Legends Car racing in 2006.
I recently purchased a restored 74' 250 Penton and look forward to riding some "fun" events this year. The ISDTRR is a must do.
Thanks again for your interest.

[p3mn256]

hi guys  steve barber era  here. sorry i haven't posted any more about the isdtrr .  i had some medical procedures done this week and have been kinda out of it . while talking with some of my club members we were wondering what kind of gas range you guys get on your bikes . we are looking at about 50 miles on sat and 40 on sunday . + final moto we saw some guys running out in tulsa who didn't gas at 1st control.  is 50 miles to long or will you need gas on course ?  will you have gas crews or will you need a gas trailor?  if we have 250 to 300 riders providing gas trailors might be a problem. we're just trying to plan ahead. will you guys be bringing your own gas crews?

steve barber

[Larry Perkins]

Sounds like Steve and the club putting this on is not totally tuned into Vintage.  

Teddy, Paul, or someone in the know needs to help line these guys out on what it takes to do this.  We don't want modern thought to make trail like the first year the Mudders did ISDTR or lack of knowledge to make a MX course like in Arkansas and have a Woods O Cross again.  PLEASE do not let this just happen and be a bummer.  I am sure these guys have great intentions they just need someone to steer them.

Larry P

[brian kirby]

Hi Steve,

I think making 50 miles would depend on how many of those miles were test miles. Most bikes could make 50 at trail riding speed, but if there is enough test miles in that it could get tight. Having said that, I would prefer to have more test mileage than the ISDT-RRs have had in the past.

Brian

'73 Berkshire

[p3mn256]

larry  you are correct as to our vintage lack of knowledge. but we are working with paul danik and pog on this. i was just trying to get a feel for gas ranges. paul will be coming down and helping us with the course and i am sure it will be great. the tests will be groomed vintage friendly trails. many of our club members have been riding since vintage was modern and we have vintage bikes to layout on if you want to contact me and give me your imput it would be appreciated . 614-891-1369  thanks steve

steve barber

[p3mn256]

thanks brian   thats the imput i was looking for.  steve

steve barber

[Larry Perkins]

Cool, Steve.  I just wanted to be sure there were not some of the boffos from the past.  Sometimes when someone has not ridden a Vintage bike they have a different definition of "Vintage Friendly".  Also one year in Arkansas the Grasstrack special test was over half in the woods and it was tight woods besides.  A grasstrack it was not.  Fun is the key words for an ISDTR.  Sounds like you guys have guidance.  Paul is a good judge and I might add a Great guy in my book.

You have alleviated my fears and sorry if I sounded negative.  Just hope to make it this year with no Baja to do and want to have a blast.  Hope to meet you in person then.  Thanks for putting this one on and keep up the good work.

Larry P

[john durrill]

Steve,
 A good way to know if you have the right mix on the trails would be , put an average trail rider on a vintage small bore and have him run the sections.
 A 125 Six-Day or Hodaka Ace 100 or Wombat would work for this. Its hard for folks that have never ridden Vintage bikes in enduros to figure out what is a " Good " trail.
 Is just a thought. Check with Paul and see if he thinks that would be a good way to gauge it.
 Thank you and the club for putting this one on.
John D.
PS my gas " crew "  has always been my wife
She seems to find a place along the trail somehow , no matter where we are , when no gas stops are provided. chuckle chuckle!

[p3mn256]

thanks john i have a 74 175 jackpiner i'm going to use plus i'm going to try to get vic ely, he's a club member to bring down his old triumph . we had a vintage enduro a couple of years ago and it turned out pretty good . ask gary roach he was 2nd overall. "just thought i'd remind him of that "   thanks for the imput  steve

steve barber

[Jeff D]

Relax guys.  If Steve and gang lay it out with a Jackpiner and a Triumph everything will be fine.  Steve was down at Tulsa and got to check out the course there, plus Prez Paul will be giving the club guidance.  Ron Ribolzi usually goes and pre-rides the course on a classic class bike to check it out, too.  
With regard to the fuel question, I doubt you'll find too many folks complaining about more miles on Saturday provided we can address the fuel issue.  Of course, we could all make sure we have ENDURO tanks rather than MX tanks on our bikes...hint, hint!  Like Brian, I'm all for more special tests, but those require more bodies to help.  
I'm looking forward to the southern Ohio Reunion Ride!


Jeff DeBell

[checkcrew]

Jeff, hi, i was talking with Kenny Held last week, he is picking up an early PE 175 to get ready for the Ohio RR, he said he would be getting in touch with you, Happy Holidays, regards, Mike G.

Mike Gallagher, Camden County, NJ.- 69 + 71, 125 Steel Tankers, 72 Berkshire, 72 x 2, 73 x 2, 125-6 Day's, 74-6 Day, 73 Jackpiner, 74 1/2 - 250 H/S, 75 - 250 H/S, 74 1/2 Mint 400

[SouthRider]

Many thanx for asking for rider input.

Please keep in mind that many of these bikes only have a range of about 40 miles on their gas tanks.

Most clubs either have a loop that gets them back to the start area for gas, or provide a gas trailer to bring it to the gas stop.

Riders do not have pit crews or anyone there to haul gas for them.

[p3mn256]

thanks for the imput . thats what i was thinking . maybe 2 30 mile loops on sat and a 35-40 0n sun plus mx.

the enduro riders association and myself would like to wish everyone out there a merry christmas and happy new years.  
steve barber

[skiracer]

Am I reading the rules correctly? The year of the bike is limited to 1974 or earlier?