2013 ISDTRR Site Selection

[Dwight Rudder]

quote:Originally posted by brian kirby

The Ohio tests were nice, but there was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much droning along on roads. I would not be inclined to go back if it remained mostly paved roads with a few miles of trails.

Brian

I thought the Ohio event was great.  Even with the few paved miles. It wasn't that much pavement.  I would attend in a heartbeat.
Dwight

[Dwight Rudder]

quote:Originally posted by brian kirby

I just want to clarify, I understand the land access issues the club at Ohio in '09 had and I think they did a great job, my comment was not meant to slight them or the effort they put out to host the '09 race. Their event ran flawlessly and the tests themselves were the best of any year Reunion Ride I've been too, but I am far from the only one that commented that weekend on the VERY long stretches of paved roads.

Brian

Actually Brian, You are the ONLY one I have heard complain about Ohio. The only realistic complaint is that of the Banquet supper. I don't mind dirt roads at all if they add milage. I want to ride longer than 40 miles.

[Dwight Rudder]

LOTS of easy trails and dirt roads are the ticket for a successful vintage enduro. I think Ohio was fun. I think both Arkansas events are fun. Park Hills is fun if it isn't raining.
I just want more seat time than a few miles of modern type enduro trail. 1970s enduros had lots of dirt roads and logging roads as does any ISDT and ISDE event in Europe.

[brian kirby]

quote:Originally posted by Dwight Rudder
Actually Brian, You are the ONLY one I have heard complain about Ohio. The only realistic complaint is that of the Banquet supper. I don't mind dirt roads at all if they add milage. I want to ride longer than 40 miles.

First of all, it was not a complaint, and I already said I understood WHY there were lots of roads at Ohio. If I had been in the club's and Paul's position I would have made the same decision they did and cut out those trails for safety. Every person I have ever talked to about laying out trails for AHRMA races I tell them "Cater to the Novices and the older bikes. The Experts and newer bikes will just go faster, but if its so hard the Novices cant make it or the guys on Premier bikes destroy their bikes they wont come back.".

Second, I heard many comment (not complain) about the amount of road miles. Most notable was Speedy, who I'm paraphrasing because it was over 2 years ago and I dont remember the exact words but it was something like, "I have the wrong tires, I should have had slicks.".

I think I am going to stop commenting here except on purely technical topics, its too easy to hurt someone's feelings.

Brian

[rob w]

quote:Originally posted by brian kirby


I think I am going to stop commenting here except on purely technical topics, its too easy to hurt someone's feelings.

Brian

Brian, Your take on all topics, is very welcome by me. I appreciate, and respect your presence here. Don't go change'n - keep on keeping on. Thanks.

Bob

[454MRW]

The fun ride that I attended at the same location on October 8-9 had 100 miles each day, and although I was not able to finish the ride due to mechanical problems followed by burying my bike up to the frame at a creek crossing and hiking out, mostly because of the mechanical issue, I enjoyed the trails and  portions that I did manage to ride. This particular ride was actually more suited for modern bikes, which there was plenty of in attendance, with only a handful of Post Vintage bikes there.
I spoke to an individual who was going to allow the club access to some of his 600 acres for future events, so the amount of wooded riding area and varying terrain is almost unlimited in the area. Mike

Michael R. Winter
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1975 Can Am 175 TNT & 77 250 Black Widow
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1976-78 RM & 77-79 PE Suzuki's
1974 CR250M 07 CR125R 79 CR250R

[rob w]

FOR ME. Back in the day when longer travel bikes appeared on the racing scene (1976/77) - things got way more serious, and the fun kinda diminished. I will always prefer riding '1970 /'75 machines, with 7" / 4" of travel.

[Paul Danik]

The only reason I responded is that I did not want anyone to feel that the club was responsible for the extra road miles, pretty hard to hurt my feelings    

Thanks,
Paul

[Rocket]

quote:Originally posted by Dwight Rudder

LOTS of easy trails and dirt roads are the ticket for a successful vintage enduro. I think Ohio was fun. I think both Arkansas events are fun. Park Hills is fun if it isn't raining.
I just want more seat time than a few miles of modern type enduro trail. 1970s enduros had lots of dirt roads and logging roads as does any ISDT and ISDE event in Europe.

I loved Park Hills, even with a little bit of rain.  I would like to see it be there again.
Rocket

[t20sl]

It is hard to put on an event that suits everyone.  Maybe some thought could be put toward having A and B sections where riders choose their "amount of trail" they want to ride.  I for one like more trail and more mileage and is the main reason I don't travel to ARK to ride.  3-4 hours total ride time for 20-24 hours drive time makes no sense to me.  Lack of land in Ohio was not reason as Paul pointed out.  Having laid out many enduros in Ohio over the years I do find it strange that a single downhill could not have been routed around without tossing out all that trail and special test.  Steve puts on GREAT events and I for one trust his judgement totally.  In my opinion I think the ISDTRR should be moved around a lot more than it is to allow riders from all over the US to ride.  Carolinas, New England, MO, MS, OR, WA etc.....  Never did understand the AR thing.  Not meant to be a slight to those clubs, just the same area of country all the time! ?  Steve, how about another vintage enduro in 2012?  Spring/Fall?  I'll help.
Ted Atkinson

[wfopete]

I have fond memories of Park Hills. Like the ISDTRR in 2001:It was 22 degrees that November morning. My worn out YZ250 was running a little crisp. 1st gear was too tall for the woods/hills and 5th was too short for the flat straight aways, but in between it done me good.  Later years I was glad to be sporting my Penton to carry me faithfully through the ruts and mud!;)
 



Pete Petrick
175 Jackpiner
Slow but Good

[Ed Chesnut]

Probably the single most significant factor influencing site selection is the availabiltiy/willingness of a knowledgeable organization to put on the event.

Ed

Keep the rubber side down!

[Dale Fisher]

This looks like some nice scenic terrain  Note the strange flashing bushes.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYOhS4-eOz0

Dale Fisher
POG Membership
74 Berkshire 100
70 Six-Days 125
72 Jackpiner 175

[Steve Minor]

I think we can all agree there are great places to ride all over the US and each of us has a favorite. But when I suggested Dalton, MA as the 2013 ISDTRR site, I wasn't thinking about terrain or topography, or paved roads vs fire roads vs dirt roads, or degree of difficulty. I was thinking about the "spirit" of the event. The 48th ISDT was held in Dalton, MA in 1973 and I thought it would be appropriate to hold the 2013 ISDTRR there, marking the 40th anniversary, just as the 2003 ISDTRR in Dalton marked the 30th. I think anybody who rode the 2003 ISDTRR will agree it was a blast!

I'll shut up now....


Steve Minor
Wilmington, NC

[Michael Thompson]

quote:Originally posted by rob w

FOR ME. Back in the day when longer travel bikes appeared on the racing scene (1976/77) - things got way more serious, and the fun kinda diminished. I will always prefer riding '1970 /'75 machines, with 7" / 4" of travel.

Mike sorry about the sinking!!!:D:D:D:D

2007 KTM 525
1983 KTM 495
1983 YAMAHA IT250
1984 YAMAHA IT200
1976 SUZUKI RM370
1986 HONDA Z50 My first bike
Hope to add a PENTON soon!