Manuals

[OUCWBOY]

Anyone know what Penton manual is 005??

Donny Smith

[OUCWBOY]

Don't know, that's why I was asking.

Donny Smith

[Paul Danik]

Donny,
  I have an 005 Spare Parts Price List that was effective Feb. 1, 1974.  There is a 125 Sachs powered MX on the cover. I also have an 005 that was effective Jan. 20th, 1975 with the same picture on the cover, apparently it is just an updated version with the new prices in it.

     Parts books 001 and 002 are for the Steel Tanker, 003 is the early CMF 125, 004 is the early Jackpiner, 005 is the later CMF 125.

     I don't have 006,  007 has a picture of a later Red 250 on it but it says Penton 250 Hare Scrambler on the cover, I think 006 was for the early gold Hare Scrambler, but that is open to correction.

   Hope this helps.
Paul

[OUCWBOY]

Thanks Paul,
I have 006 and it covers the Berkshire and the Six Day. All three Sachs engines, the 5A, 6A and 6B and both the 32 mm and 35 mm forks. On the Cover is a Six Day with plastic fenders, but without the right side panel, just the heat shield on the pipe. I wonder if the Spare Parts Price List coincides with the Sapre Parts Manual?

Donny Smith

[Paul Danik]

Donny,

   The Spare Parts Manuals have the pictures of all of the parts with their part numbers and is used for ordering the correct parts, the Spare Parts Price List gives the dealer cost and suggested retail for each part without any pictures. I have several sets that do coincide and I assume that they all do, but I don't have all of the sets.

   If 006 is the Berkshire and the Six Day, it was probably created when the angled shock Sachs powered model was introduced.  Is there a date on the cover?

Paul

[Big Mac]

Paul or Donny,
Do your Spare Parts Manuals show what year motor a piston with part #550.30.007.300 is? Should be a 400 KTM motor, maybe the first 400 in '74?

Thanks a lot.
Mac

[Paul Danik]

Mac,

    I found part # 55.30.007.300 piston 80.50 MM complete in a parts book dated Jan. 1978.  In a May of 77 parts book the pistons start at 81.00 MM. Did they possibly change the bore and stroke in the later 400?  I don't know much about those engines but looking at the piston sizes that is what it looks like. The rod kits have different numbers in those books also.  Looks to me like that piston is for the later 400 KTM engine.

Paul

[OUCWBOY]

Paul,
The 006 manual does not cover the angled shock machine. Not a printed date on the manual, just someone has written Nov 73 on the cover. Another Penton mystery?? I will call Al on Monday and see if he has a Spare Parts Manual 005.
Thanks

Donny Smith

[Knute]

Hey Guys,

I did a little digging and I found a 005 Spare Parts Price List that is dated Feb. 1 1974 like Paul's.  What's odd is that the 001, 002, 003, 004, 006, and 007 publications I have are Spare Parts Manuals.  Could there be a 005 Spare Parts Manual that goes with the 005 Spare Parts Price List?  Do you have one Paul?  Donny, I spoke with Al about the 005 and he wasn't aware there was one.



While we're on the topic of manuals 001-007, there are also several versions of some of them.  For example, I have a 004 Spare Parts Manual that has a Jackpiner with aluminum fenders and no date as well as a 004 Spare Parts Manual that has a Jackpiner with plastic fenders that is dated 3.74.  Also, my 007 Spare Parts Manual has a 1973 250 on the cover and Paul's has a 1974 250.

So here's what we have so far:

001 Spare Parts Manual for early "100-125" steel tankers with a picture of a chrome-piped 125 steel tanker

002 Spare Parts Manual for later "100-125" steel tankers with a picture of a chrome-tanked late '69 or early '70 steel tanker

003 Spare Parts Manual for the "100-125" CMF with a picture of a 1972 Berkshire

004 Spare Parts Manual for the "Jackpiner 175" with a picture of a 1972 Jackpiner

004 Spare Parts Manual for the "Jackpiner 175" with a picture of a 1974 Jackpiner and dated 3.74

005 Spare Parts Price List with a picture of a 1974 Berkshire and dated Feb. 1, 1974

005 Spare Parts Price List with a picture of a 1974 Berkshire and dated Jan. 20, 1975

006 Spare Parts Manual for the "100-125" with a picture of a 1973 Six-Day and dated 10.73

007 Spare Parts Manual for the "250 Hare Scrambler" with a picture of a gold 1973 Hare Scrambler and dated 10.73

007 Spare Parts Manual for the "250 Hare Scrambler" with a picture of a red 1974 Hare Scrambler.

So, what other 001-007 publications are out there?

Kent

[Big Mac]

Thanks Donny and Paul on the KTM 400 piston question, it is 80.5mm, so sounds right. But always heard that the 400 in 1978 went to 82mm bore, so not sure where/when an 80.5mm or 80mm might have existed.

Mac

[Knute]

Hey Guys,

The big bore piston issue can get pretty complicated.  I've got some European literature that shows 3 different bore/stroke combinations for the big bore in 1977, which helps clear up the why the 1978 Parts Manual shows 15 different pistons!:

80x69 is listed as a 340 GS6.  The '78 Parts Manual has an 80, 80.25, and an 80.5 (55.30.007.300) that are listed as "nB" meaning "as requested" but did not come stock on anything (apparently).  Further down the page there are also 80.5, 80.75, and 81mm pistons that have an asterisk indicating that these are for the "340 GS".

81x69 is listed as a 400 GS6 but in the fine print they call it a 360.  The '78 Parts Manual also lists the 81 as the stock 400 GS6 piston.  81x69 is also the size that we're most familiar with because  81mm was the stock bore on the 74-76 Pentons.

83x68 is listed as a 400 MC5 but in the fine print they call it a 380.  The '78 Parts Manual lists 82 as the stock 400 MC5 piston so I can't explain that discrepancy. Maybe the European literature meant to say 82x68?

I hope this helps a little.  Also, I'm curious why they offered a 340 GS6 in Europe.  Dane, Paul, Doug, Speedy...Was there a 350 ISDT class back then?

Thanks,
Kent

[Big Mac]

Kent,
Thanks a lot, that makes sense. But what the heck is a 340 GS? Any ever sold in the US? Euro-intended cylinder with slightly less displacment just to make the 350cc class in ISDT?

Thanks for the advice,

Mac