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[CharlieT]

FOlks have been mixing matching engines/chassis for many decades, though It does eem to have been much more common back n the old days. My first attempt at it was back in the brakeless days.....I put a Triumph TigerCub 200cc engine in a Harley 165 Hummer frame. I suppose you could call it a Triley, but I think a Harumph sounds more appropriate. Seems like a lot of the conversions I come across these days involve folks putting a Honda 4-stroke into chassis such as the CR80, either on their own or like with BBR.

Did a Variation of that myself. Had a CRF450R chassis sitting around and a couple of old XR200s. SO what the heck.....pulled one of the XR200 motors out and stuck it in the CRF450 chassis:



Honda motor, Honda chassis...hmmm, I guess yo'd call it a Honda:D[?]
Actually, we call it our CRF200R!! I gues having been racing karts for years, got used to putting together a wide variety of engine/chassis combo's. Here's were the motor out of the CRF450R ended up:

[Tony Price]

Charlie, that's great!

Seems this Karting thing is more popular than I realized.......

Tony

[CharlieT]

Quite popular....even amongst old bike racers. A couple of years ago, racing out at Laguna Seca, my son got to do something I only ever dreamed of doing on a bike years ago. He was running 1st in class (single cylinder) and 3rd overall to a couple of guys in the twin-cylinder class (Yamaha TZ250's)....you might have heard of them, their names were Lawson and Rainey.

[OUCWBOY]

I hate to kick a sleeping dog, but what is the "TRUTH" about the Penton Trademark and the rights to the Penton Brand?

Donny Smith
Lakeside, CA, soon to be Paragould, AR

[bentrims]

Donny,
I think there are a few "inquiring minds" that want to know. Many of us have picked up on it in the midst of the flack, leaving us a bit confused. From my vantage point (and this is ONLY my interpetation)there is an individual that has done proper litigation to acquire Penton trademark status. This persons direction and goals remain to be seen.

Go Penton!

[OUCWBOY]

Tom,
I kinda gather that, I was just wondering if it's true. Has anyone actually done the research to see if it's legit?

Donny Smith
Lakeside, CA, soon to be Paragould, AR

[bentrims]

Donny,
I am hoping that some of the POG overclass will pipe in to fill in the blanks with the facts. Still curious like you on this.
Tom B

[454MRW]

Donny,
If you go back to the 1st page of this post, I belive it was Tom that listed the link to the trademark or patent application. Myself  I have some issue with getting a patent or trademark on someones given name, which is like calling yourself them. I would think that impersonating another person, by getting a trademark on someones namesake would be illegal and not stand up in court, regardless of any trademark application being granted. Getting a trademark on the name HI-Point on the other hand, which evidently was also applied for would be another story if a trademark had never before been applied for. This would be a task for an actual patent or trademark lawyer to determine. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1980 KTM 250'S

[firstturn]

Donny & Others,
  Here is the information you requested.  Just click on it.  You will notice it is a supplimental ONLY trademark...so big deal[)].  

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=99v91s.2.1

Ron Carbaugh
Kerrville, Texas

[Lew Mayer]

Also, maybe of interest, the trademark for Hi-Point was abandoned on 9/11/06.

Lew Mayer

[sixdazed]

Mike,T.B.,Ron,Donny,and All,I have found myself sometimes getting too emotional when making posts regarding this trademark legitimacy question.We are all very proud of our bikes.We all know what gems we have in our real Pentons.I'm sure many of us would hate to see Mr. Penton's name being put on anything he didn't design,approve of,or endorse.And though i would never,ever, claim to know Mr. Penton's opinion on this,i doubt very much he would endorse any Chinese knock off of a Japanese minibike or motorcycle with his name on it.I've read a few interviews from back in the 70's in which he made it very clear about how he felt about the asian motorcycle industry(at least back then).It may be that if,in fact his name/trademark has been somehow legally taken from him he must protect himself-legally,by not saying anything about any future product publicly.Even if it was a quality,competitive,modern race bike-or even a good replica of the originals,(probably impossible!)-until he says so,it is not John Penton's bike.A man's good name and honor go hand in hand.-              Just as the small Chinese manufacturer's operate,using one brand name until they are discovered breaking patent infringement laws-then they move their operation and change their name and restart up under a new moniker,i.e. Handa,Yamoto,Etc.,this guy has a history of being one personality,then another,and another,ad naseum.No Honor or scruples whatsoever.So i pity the unsuspecting few(if this bike ever comes to fruition)who buy one thinking it is a recreation/replica/tribute of a great bike only to be disappointed with something entirely different.Put one of your own "names/identies" on the tank!In these days of identity theft i guess this should have been expected.Anyway,even though it may somehow legally say Penton on it,WE all know the real thing when we see it.Shame on any fool who tries to disgrace our Pentons!And yes,i too am curious to hear about how all this came about.....Ric

ric emmal

[firstturn]

Lew,
  Great point.  Here is the location to check this out;

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=om1fb6.2.1

  I guess that it was such a money making business that someone just forgot to renew it??[:0][:0]

Ron Carbaugh
Kerrville, Texas

[DKWRACER]

Ron, et al, the Tess search function only works for a short while, I think it is a "session" while one is engaged.
In regards to my first post, my thoughts were about "intent"

At the top of our website, are our intentions, clearly displayed.

This is a very hard subject to talk about. There are passionate feelings regarding the Penton Legacy. We own them, we produce parts to protect His honor, we go to vendors and members who believe the same things.
So sanctimonious, is the one who took the Penton Trademark?
If you knew "so much" why, then, did you do this?

Think of the RR in two weeks, it is an emotional place,
DW is already talking about it, I remember Tulsa ought 4.

Respectfully
Tom Brosius

[bentrims]

Donny,
I think there are a few "inquiring minds" that want to know. Many of us have picked up on it in the midst of the flack, leaving us a bit confused. From my vantage point (and this is ONLY my interpetation)there is an individual that has done proper litigation to acquire Penton trademark status. This persons direction and goals remain to be seen.

Go Penton!

[OUCWBOY]

Tom,
I kinda gather that, I was just wondering if it's true. Has anyone actually done the research to see if it's legit?

Donny Smith
Lakeside, CA, soon to be Paragould, AR